On POD Farm® and Record

posted by Record Blog 2009-06-08 at 15:09

Comment posted by: whitebaa - 2009-06-08 15:37

actually i was one of the people asking this on the forum...so thanks for picking this up. Now one sentence in your post was not quite clear to me. you said:

"In Pod Farm, you can create patches consisting of combinations of the pre amp, effect, amplifier and speaker cabinet models you have on your Line 6 interface."

The part of "models you have on your interface)..... technically, when i use a line 6 sound interface like the ux 1 or 2 i dont have any models on them....as they are just sound interfaces without any onboard sounds...

but as far as i understand i can create patches in pod farm and ALL patches that work in pod farm can be used within record. is that correct?

Comment posted by: admin - 2009-06-08 16:10

Maybe I wasn't clear. What I meant was that as a Line 6 user, you can buy and download model packs from Line 6. All those models will be available in POD Farm and hence in Record. Correct.

Comment posted by: FransBouma - 2009-06-08 19:06

So in short, there's no possibility to use the VST plugin of Podfarm inside Record? Then what's the advantage of using record + reason vs. cakewalk homestudio + reason + podfarm VST plugin? Sure, reason in homestudio is used through rewire but I never had any problems with that.

So what I'd like to learn about are these questions:
1) is there VST plugin support in record and if not, why not?
2) what's the main advantage of record + reason over (any audio app supporting rewire and VST plugins) + reason?

Comment posted by: mattias800 - 2009-06-08 21:34

Is POD Farm required? I have a Line6 UX2 with Gearbox and the Metal shop expansion. Will I be able to use the metal shop amps in Record, even though I don't own POD Farm?

Comment posted by: Laraka - 2009-06-09 01:29

Tage, thanks for writing about this. I guess a lot of Line6 owners are interested.

Similar to mattias800 I have a Line6 Toneport UX1 USB. That comes with GearBox but not PodFarm. (PodFarm is a paid upgrade for UX1/UX2 owners I think). I have not purchased PodFarm or any add-on products from Line6.

What can I expect from Record's POD devices ? Just the basic sound set ? Or is owning GearBox but not PodFarm enough to give me access to the models that GearBox gives me ?

Thanks

Comment posted by: whitebaa - 2009-06-09 05:51

"So what I'd like to learn about are these questions:
1) is there VST plugin support in record and if not, why not?
2) what's the main advantage of record + reason over (any audio app supporting rewire and VST plugins) + reason? "

question 1 has been answered already all over this site: There is no VSt support in Record and there is no plan right now to include it in future versions. This is to ensure stability and speed.

question 2 is different things for different people: To me, Record is finally a product that I do not need 1 year to learn to operate it such as Cubase or other software. Even Ableton Live has gotten very, very complex. Record seems to be different in a way that it is more simple and therefore from my point of view encourages being creative instead of fiddling around with thousands of settings in Cubase, Reaper, Logic or whatever else.

so thats the advantage, being a capable recording app without having a steep learning curve....and of course working perfectly together with reason like no other app....and a speed like no other music app.

Comment posted by: John - 2009-06-09 11:16

The Line 6-devices in Record will load Line 6 "tones" patches (.l6t), and it doesn't matter if these patches where created using Pod Farm or Gear Box.

Comment posted by: mattias800 - 2009-06-09 17:02

You can load all Line6 patches on all Line6 systems. That is not the question here. Will the amps in our Line6 setup be available even though we do not have POD Farm?

Comment posted by: blacktiger - 2009-06-09 19:09

I'm assuming this is iLok - compatible, correct? In other words, you need not own a Line 6 interface to make POD Farm work with Record if I'm not mistaken.

Comment posted by: andrik - 2009-06-09 22:36

I believe you are mistaken. The last micro tutorial clearly states that with ANY USB powered Line6 device, you can use extra stuff like pod farm etc.

Line6 software is locked in with their line6 interfaces. When you buy expansions you actually unlock them in your line6 interface.

Comment posted by: zigzowxenz - 2009-06-10 06:39

I own the Line 6 KB 37 Pod Studio and I had to purchase Pod Farm as an add on even though it has USB.
I also had to initialise this by way of I-Lok.
As I already had the i-lok for a waves product I downloaded the Ilok version for Pod Farm for $ 99 usd for my Kb37 to be of any use to me.
This to me was initially confusing. so hopefully it will be all compatible once I upgrade to Reason record as I already have V4

Comment posted by: whitebaa - 2009-06-10 06:56

geeze...after thinking that i understand the line6 stuff now...after reading all the new comments...this is getting moer and more confusing.

I think it would be a great idea for propellerhead to create a little table for this showing the line6 products and what can be done with them within record.

the guitar sounds are quite important for me and it would be good to know what additional cost (hardware and software from line6) would be necessary to reach the setup one wants.

Comment posted by: speakeasymk - 2009-06-10 09:06

These are the things that complicate a great piece of music software... Why do we have to create patches in one piece of software to use them in another piece of software... what if I just want to use one effect... why can't you just access all the effects of POD Farm and POD Farm Platinum in Record... the same way your suppose to be able to access Reason devices in Record without opening Reason...

Comment posted by: whitebaa - 2009-06-10 09:22

although that would be nice, thats pretty obvious. if we would have all models available right away within record....i would imagine that the licensing fees paid by Propellerhead to line6 would be so high that record would cost more close to 500 USD than 250....

Comment posted by: speakeasymk - 2009-06-10 15:03

As far as I understand if you own POD Farm or POD Farm Platinum the models are available to you in Record... You just have to go into POD farm first and create the patches... how ever many that would be... but you do have to own the POD Farm software to be able to do that and POD Farm Platinum is $299... So its a little more like $600... Im not really sure what licensing fees you are talking about whitebaa and how much you really now about they're business agreements... Obvious is relative considering they haven't made those agreements public... Line6 is propellerhead's US distributor anyways Im sure its a little more like "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" but of course Im only speculating... As for you I think your still at little confused

Comment posted by: mattias800 - 2009-06-10 17:12

whitebaa:

POD Farm is included with all Line6 hardware nowadays so you don't need to worry. Just get the interface that fits you and off you go :) Then you can buy extra model packs if you want more amps.

speakeasymk:

Making available each and every effect from Line6 is of course alot more work than just running their respective DSP code. And you're already using an external editor for REX files, audio tracks, WAV files, etc. An editor for Line6 patches just isn't within the scope of what Record should include.

And the Line6 amps in Record makes perfect sense to me, but please don't require POD Farm. POD Farm is just a new version of Gearbox anyway. Except the VST plugin, but we can't use that anyway, so... Hm, makes sense now, trying to make us pay for something we don't need? :)

Comment posted by: speakeasymk - 2009-06-10 18:22

mattias800:

I completely agree with you... I don't think that we should have to go into POD Farm to create patches before we can access the effects like its some sort of editor... that was what I was saying in my first comment. I don't think it should be required but you should be able to have the option to access individual effects not just amps in POD Farm through Record. You can use effects on other things not just guitars. In case you didn't notice this blog is about POD Farm and how it works with record.. Im just asking why can't it be more user friendly... By the way no one is making you pay for anything...

Comment posted by: garstoss - 2009-06-10 19:22

Let's say I were to load one of the Line6 mic preamp patches. When the patch is loaded what knobs will display on the Line6 rack interface? Just curious as to what would display since no editing of Line6 parameters is available directly from within Record.

Comment posted by: blacktiger - 2009-06-10 20:49

@ andrik:

Yes, the blog clearly states that POD Farm works with USB-equipped Line 6 devices. HOWEVER, my question is regarding those iLok users who had previously purchased POD Farm: Those users will need to purchase an additional interface. This purchase on top of everything else is not that big a deal for some, but it makes sense that those iLok owners should be able to continue to use their iLoks with POD Farm. This is still a gray area and it has not been explicitly addressed.
The URL in question:
http://line6.com/store/item/84

Comment posted by: poupee - 2009-06-10 21:55

This news makes my day!

Comment posted by: zigzowxenz - 2009-06-11 06:56

The cheapest option here is if you use Reason as a rewire device.
If you purchase just Line 6 gearbox plug in and use it in your DAW of choice then its only about $ 99 usd compared to having to buy another compatible Line 6 interface.
I think if you read my previous post it is self explanatory.
Own a Line 6 interface or just the Plug in.
I dont even play guitar but use the Pod FARM gearbox plug in thru my KB37 interface in my DAW which is T3.
I program in some midi notes and insert the plug in into a track and I get authentic Line 6 Pod Farm tone.
Watch the video from Props site on Line 6 and to me it looks like your only getting a few tones, amps and cabs.
You decide what is best for you.

Cheers

Comment posted by: alexanderflint - 2009-06-19 16:39

It seems that much of the confusion about the Line 6 to Record interface arises from Line 6's unnecessarily complex marketing breakdown. Basically, they sell one thing: incredibly great sounding software amp/effect emulation. Unfortunately, they present it in about 100 different ways, across varying combinations of hardware and software platforms.

For example, if you own the POD X3 like I do, you get to download Pod Farm for free, but you can't use Pod Farm as a standalone app for some reason - you can only run the app as a plugin in a DAW application like Logic. On the Line 6 site they say "obviously the standalone doesn't work" - huh? However, the plugin seems to work exactly the same way as the standalone and will let you save patches that I hope will be Record-accessible.

I'm assuming that POD X3 owners will be able to open their patches in Reason that they created with Pod Farm as a plugin in Logic (or another DAW)... But this sequence highlights the very odd complexity of all of this, and it flies in the face of the very noble effort by Propellerhead to create a unified and simple to use audio and synthesis environment.

Perhaps the Record blog moderators could post a more explicit description of what will work with the various software/hardware implementations that Line 6 markets. Even better, perhaps Propellerhead could convince Line 6 to enable the Pod Farm app as a standalone for any Line 6 hardware owner. This would cut out the need to own a DAW in addition to Record.

A much simpler question: will we be able to load patches into Record created on the Line 6 device itself (i.e., stored in the User folder on the device)?

I'd be happy to test these things out and post the results, but I'm still waiting in the Record beta queue...

Comment posted by: JimmyJuice - 2009-06-19 19:43

The only question would be then, can I run Pod Farm in standalone parallel to Record, modify presets, save it as a new preset, and Record automatically updates this in the Line6 rack?

I have been using Cubase since Cubase VST 5, and just recently updated to the new 5, 10 years later. I wished I would have waited. The switch is clear.

Comment posted by: TJBrodeur - 2009-06-25 01:36

blacktiger:

I agree. The iLock question still has not been adressed. I have been thinking about getting an iLock license for POD Farm, but it is seeming that this might not run in Record (which is SOOO weird).

I have to admit. As a serious Reason fan, I was ready to jump right out and buy Record when they first anounced it. But some of the topics discussed in this forum are making me think that sticking with ReWire into PT is going to be the better option.

Is Propellerheads really just marketing Record people who aren't already using another DAW?

Comment posted by: zigzowxenz - 2009-06-25 02:00

Good comment blacktiger.

I have I-lok for use with Pod Studio KB37 AND Pod Farm works fine.
I have Reason 4 and will buy Record.
Now what about compatability issues with Ilok and USB dongle
with props inbuilt Pod farm.

Cheers

Comment posted by: ReasonGroove - 2009-06-26 00:23

I own a UX1 and wonder will there be support for the other devices in the setup, i.e. distortion, filter, mods, etc? That would be sound mangling heaven!!

So many people have already wishlisted new effects, that I think this would please a large percentage of that crowd. Some would want more high quality, discrete fx - but I'd love to play with the dozens of chorus and delay devices inside of Record.

Another possibility would be to at least use the presets in Pod Farm, both stock and user created. If we can already do that, someone please let me know.

Comment posted by: harwwire666 - 2009-06-26 13:28

So if we want more than three Guitar amps, and cabinets. Or, two bass amps, and cabinets. We will have to buy line6 hardware, and/or software id we don't already own any?

Comment posted by: zigzowxenz - 2009-07-02 13:13

Correcto Mondo Amigo.

Props have aligned themselves with Line 6 and vice versa over the last few years as third party distributors.
I should imagine that if your in the market for an interface/ guitar/amp simulator then Pod Farm will do the trick.
I have one and cant wait to put it to the test in the final version when it is released on Sept. 9th.
I am a beta tester but am rebuilding my computer to take advantage of this new DAW from Props.

Cheers

Comment posted by: MaczyLaczy - 2009-07-23 14:33

I'm beta testing Record with Pod Farm. If I use the stand alone version of PF, everything is fine: I do all the tweaking in PF then I use it through my TonePort UX-2 as input for an audio track in Record. The problems start when I try to use PF's presets from within Record. First of all, the built-in Line 6 device does not seem to see all amp models that I can use with PF. Second, it does not recognize PF's dual patches ("unknown format"). I have even tried to emulate some of my favorite dual setups using two Line 6 devices in Record on a single audio track (one for the left channel and he other for the right channel). The result is, well, interesting... Still a far cry from the original.
I'd appreciate if anyone could comment on this. It would be really nice to make a clean recording within Record first, then to have the ability to experiment with different tones offered by Pod Farm.

Comment posted by: Bedegong - 2009-08-06 19:17

I have to agree with MaczyLaczy. I have the similar hardware (POD Studio UX-1). I can't open presets patches nor tweaked patches in record. I read the manual from Line 6 as well as from Propellerhead, but I still encounter the same problem.

Comment posted by: glen55 - 2009-08-20 06:27

No duals, presets, or tweaked patches??? What the heck is left over?

Comment posted by: ReasonGroove - 2009-08-20 07:27

On my UX-1 it's no dual patches, but presets and tweaked and user patches are fine.

Comment posted by: Muziqa - 2009-08-25 15:40

This is a complete waste of time.

Who would write a peice of mixing and recording software and fail to implement both VST and/or AU support. Most professionals will want to use their own set of instrument and plugin tools and these may not neccesarily include the Reason/Record in built plugins.

I am looking to migrate from Cubase and Record looked extremley attractive until I learned about the lack of plugin support.

I think this error will greatly effect the systems popularity in the marketplace.

Sorry about that.

The Westway

Comment posted by: MaczyLaczy - 2009-08-25 16:17

It's funny... I've been using Sonar Producer Edition up till now and I'm loving it. Nevertheless, I would not think twice to migrate to Record should this otherwise perfect piece of software support VST. The developers seem to be adamant about not to include this feature, so what can I do? Probably I'll stick to Sonar and with Reason rewired. Whose loss?

Comment posted by: Muziqa - 2009-08-25 16:25

Exactly!!

This really is a shmables.

Native Instruments
Spectrasonics
Waves

What are all these top notch instrument and effects developers going to think.

Propellerhead really need to re-think this decision. We need to form a pressure group to make this happen.

Comment posted by: zigzowxenz - 2009-08-26 03:42

Most of us have more than one DAW. So the workaround is use your vst's in one DAW and render. Bring files into Record, continue enhancing. Use Reasons vst's. Export audio, bounce files, whatever.
This whole thing of working within one DAW sounds nice but Props aren't going to change for a select few.
Will I buy Record ? More than likely YES. As I already have Reason 4. Does it have it's shortcomings ??? Yes it does!!!
Will the Props way of working suit everyone?? No.
And that's why we have a choice of DAW's on the market. One size does not fit all. I am not a gear slut, but I think I'll be able to continue my 149usd affair with Props.
I could just imagine the testing needed to make everything stable and compatible. Lots of R&D dollars.

I have had my Ax - Synth now for two weeks and last night ran it thru my Pod Studio KB 37. Roland has some killer sounds within, but running it into Pod Farm adds that extra grit and grunt.
Now I look forward to working with Record to see what gives.

Cheers

Comment posted by: Laraka - 2009-08-26 04:01

Seems to me the easiest solution would be to make a VST version of Reason (as well as a standalone version of course). FL Studio is a good example of an app that can work both standalone and as a VST plug-in.

The benefit for Props is Reason becomes the plug-in, not the host, and all those compatibility issues become someone else's problem.

Comment posted by: lostcompass - 2009-09-11 17:00

Why would you have a self-contained piece of software whose only third-party software is dependent on proprietary hardware? Can you not use the iLok key instead?

Comment posted by: ReasonGroove - 2009-09-11 20:29

Yeah, you can use an iLok. I tried it with the free version Line 6 is giving away.

Comment posted by: GregHPSon - 2009-09-19 22:14

How do you use the ilok with the free pod farm installed on it. Record is not recognizing it & I can't find it on my mac???

Comment posted by: jetpilot00 - 2009-09-23 20:01

Guys, Ive used VST's for a long, long time and there is NO NEED for them in Record. All of the sounds in Record sound as good, if not better, than any VST. Those "other software makers" want you to buy their stuff. Period. Propellerhead wants you to make music without problems and setup headaches. Go buy an ILok dongle, download Pod Farm FOR FREE at Line6.com and enjoy a TRUE SSL mixer! All your mixes, and listeners, will thank you. Waves plug-ins can't touch the SSL console sound in Record. Sorry. I've been using them, and paying for them, for years. No more.


Seriously, WTF will VST support get you that you don't have in Record. The ONLY thing I want now is a true drum program / device that doesn't take forever to program. Re-Drum needs a BFD 2 simplicity and interface.

Record is perfect without VST support. I don't want anymore setup headaches.

Comment posted by: MaczyLaczy - 2009-09-23 21:54

I would, I could agree with jetpilot00, except... As I wrote in my previous posting, I would not hesitate for a moment to switch from Sonar 8 PE to Record if VST was supported. You are asking WTF VST support would get me. Well, two things:
First, my voice is far from perfect it's getting worse as I am growing older - Record does not and probably will not have any pitch correction tool (I'm using AutoTune EVO with Sonar).
Second, I'm not a professional sound engineer and I cannot afford the services of one - so I have to resort every now and then to iZotope Ozone. Sure, Record has some mastering templates of its own, but they are a far cry from Ozone.
And one more thing. Some of us live on limited budgets as far as making music is concerned. Since I cannot live without AutoTune and Ozone, I have to keep Sonar. So you may understand that, when facing the dilemma of choosing between Sonar PE 8.5 Upgrade or Record, I opt for Sonar, however my heart aches for Record.

Comment posted by: jetpilot00 - 2009-09-23 23:53

MaczyLaczy,

Yeah, I overlooked vocals as I have someone else do that after I'm done. Yes, simply rewire into Sonar for correction. I'd be willing to bet big that vocal correction will come soon and they are on it. It seems that any big needs and desires are going to be hard coded in future versions. I have autotune and Cubase and will report back on how difficult and the time involved in rewire autotune.

For now, Record just made my life sooooo much easier with the added components this time around. Anything more will just be icing.

Comment posted by: beastwithin - 2010-05-31 04:04

I like to import my customs sounds from my pocket pod in record.

but I have the problem when I plug in the pod on Vista it keeps restarting again and again. I already tried all other usb ports-same problem.on my netbook it works fine on XP.

So I try to open my exported .l6t files in record it says "not suportet format" maybe dual tone etc.

any ideas?

Comment posted by: beastwithin - 2010-05-31 04:38

ok I figured the filename has to be xxxx.l6t (I had a double "sound.L6T.l6t") but when I load it in record line 6 effect nothing happens.

Comment posted by: frank2a - 2010-06-28 05:09

I am a guitar rig4 user, will it work with record? If not, why not?

Comment posted by: psantanza - 2011-07-20 18:42

Can you use Pod Farm 2 patches in Record 1.5 if you are not using a Line 6 interface? I'm running Reason/Record through my Digi 003 and would love to be have access to the Pod Farm effects but don't want to purchase a Line 6 interface to do it. Any help with this?

Comment posted by: MaczyLaczy - 2011-07-21 00:13

Pod Farm v2.5 works with any USB audio interface. At least that's what the official Line 6 website claims :-)
(I wouldn't know because I use TonePort UX-2 and PodXT Live for my recording needs) I think it is worth checking it out.

Comment posted by: princehapnik - 2012-10-28 22:16

I'm very new... I just purchased Line6 KB37 and it came with Apleton live lite 7 (I updated it to Live Lite 8); Reason Adapted (I updated to Adapted 4.0); Pod Farm 2.0 (I updated it to 2.5); Gearbox-updated, and Riff works-not installed.

KB37 works fine from Reason Adapted 4, hearing all sounds from the keyboard, effects and used Gearbox midi assignments for the KB37 (before installing Gearbox the KB37 produced no sound?).

Gearbox works fine with my guitar plugged in to the KB37 instrument jack, hearing all amp sounds etc. and so does POD Farm, hearing all guitar amps effects available.

I want to record my guitar in Reason Adapted 4... but can't figure out yet how to get that done:

Is it possible to record the audio of my guitar from Gearbox or POD Farm in Reason Adapted 4?

Help!!!

Ableton Live Lite 8 indicates it can receive audio signals from Gearbox or POD Farm but I have not tried it yet as I prefer the Reason Adapted interface over Ableton (I can barely see a thing in Ableton):

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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