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capsadmin 2010-11-01 16:55

First attempt at an Amiga-like demo song
 
This is my first time posting anything here. I want to start to get active here in this forum, because I barely have anyone to talk to about music and reason users. I usually code lua for a game called Garry's Mod and manage a game server, so I've drifted away from the whole music thing that I was active in before. I've mostly made trance, but lately I've been making a lot of different things which is good. I don't like being tied to only one genre.

Enough introduction.

I've used OpenMPT to export samples from my favorite mod songs. This resulted with getting my hands on a lot of funky retro sounds. I ended up making a 2 min demo-like song with these samples which is sounding funny to me because it has almost all the sounds I can remember from my childhood.
The song wasn't that hard to make sound-wise, since there's not a whole lot you need to take care of with samples. I didn't spend that much time on the song compared to the time I spend on other songs, but I don't see anything else to add to the arrangement. I still like how it turned out though so this is why I'm posting it.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/244444/Auxil...%20Cracked.mp3

The name is kind of bad, but I'll come up with a better name soon I guess.

Has anyone else made a song using only samples from mod songs to make it sound 100% like a mod song in Reason before? If so I'd be interested to hear it. I've used samples from mod songs before, but not like this.

pushedbutton 2010-11-01 17:22

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capsadmin 2010-11-02 09:31

I'm gonna try and make a cracktro with this program I have. There's probably a few things I'd like to change in the song after all too. I have a maximizer at before final output and the volume before that is a little loud making it sound compressed and not very mod-like.

Fr3ShiE 2010-11-02 10:01

Very nice!
 
I started it off and thought where's the beef (went to turn up my sub), being a low end lover it was a little lacking. It seemed to come up through the track but left a little to be desired. Then again, it did keep me listening for it, would be cool just a little more pronounced on the low end, careful not to make mud, just bring up bass on your lowest tone instruments, 30-120Hz (mold it tight, not muddy) even if just for a second, like when the vox stuff comes in. Just my thoughts. Great sounds man, enjoyed the listen!

Do you use a sub to mix?

capsadmin 2010-11-02 12:20

No. I thought using a sub for mixing is only necessary if you have something like a bass guitar or a tuba.

But I think you're right about it lacking bass. I brought it back more on the bass synth by mixing it with a low pass'd raw sound.

I've improved other things about the song a little too. I've brought the kick back more and adjusted some things I can't remember. (probably just mixing) I've added a new link to the OP. Could you check if the bass is fine now?

Fr3ShiE 2010-11-03 17:33

I really like this track!
 
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All kinds of promise, and being a Logic user and hearing this with an idea of where you're at. All though this track is really professional so I have to wonder... if Record is opposite Logic in that you need to tune up the low end instead of tone down. I'm really curious about Record but can't get past the dongle.

I downloaded and imported this file into Logic and am using the EQ on the master out, I added +9db at 100Hz and 5.5db at 355Hz. This is a little closer to where I would take it. I took a screenshot of the curve. Being this far out of speck I personally would remix. My personal rule is over 6db of change on a final mix eq, something in the mix isn't quite right. I think I read that you did compress and limit. I was amazed getting into engineering that most the magic is in the EQ and the rest is in understanding and knowing compression/limiting.

I would recommend getting a great pair of monitors and a sub, you can't fix what you can't hear. The trickiest thing about monitors is getting yourself used to them by really hearing music you know through them, and taking the music you mix and listening on many different systems and speakers. How it translates...

I use Reason for live gigs and practices. I like blocks but don't like how they don't work rewired, I hope the Props are careful with their software! Don't forget us, this niche is important and it goes both ways, just agree to rewrite all the line 6 software into the next version of Record/Reason1.0 You know, ...AND FORGET 3rd party blah and THE FREAKING DONGLES!!! THose two things are what soured me on Line6... Couldn't let that go unsaid.

As tricky as you can imagine...
Good luck and thanks for the tunes!

capsadmin 2010-11-03 19:13

Thanks!

I copied the frequency, amplitude and width of your attached image to Adobe Audition's EQ. I had to turn the volume down because it sounded as if it was clipping. When I did this I lost all my precious mid high sound! (I'm more of a high mid guy haha)

Maybe it's more of a style thing. I don't really like the mid low frequencies for some reason.

I have a pair of studio monitors, but I don't have a very good ear for all these details like "at 100hz you should bring it up 5.3342 db"

Fr3ShiE 2010-11-05 20:47

Sometimes
 
I've been around loud noise all my life, music to factory work, trains... I wonder sometimes how different someone else might hear. I'm trying to get away from using visual reference but watching an active eq curve of something you didn't write but you like how it sounds and then trying to fit your song in that same visual basic curve is always an interesting exercise...

I just fake it and it gets a little more accurate over time. I wish I knew someone who was really good to learn and talk with stuff about. I'm having a hard time getting an acoustic kit to sound good mic'd. Drums are a pain to tune. I need to start getting my head back in the game. Think it's almost Mint Novacaine project time! ;)

I dunno...
Keep it up though~!

KIBEJA 2010-11-05 23:54

Hey,

Just gave a listen and really like the energy this tune exudes - very nice. As far as production goes, I think you could do yourself a favor and remix this. Only this time give each voice an area in the mix. To my ear, everything is sitting pretty much in the center of the mix. Definitely keep the bass and kick in the center but everything else can be moved around. By doing this you create a much bigger stereo image and you instruments will have a distinct area in the stereo field in which to sit. This will actually help you make a bigger, fuller mix. When you add in eq and compression to some of those voices you'll help to delineate them further.

I guess what I'm saying is, keep at this. There is a really great tune in there waiting to be unleashed!!


Chris

capsadmin 2010-11-06 04:55

Yeah there's not much stereo going on, but that's because the samples are in mono. I'd have to either fake it or pan some instruments. I think panning was done in a few songs. I've even heard songs where all the drums are 100% on the left!

I'm just trying to make it sound as .mod-like as possible though. But I will try panning the instruments. I want to try to stay away from faking it though (unison, chorus etc)

Thanks for the feedback. :)


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