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illCarl 2012-08-11 01:46

To the Trance guys (and others) in here.. need your help
 
Hello everyone :)

Since I live in Zurich and we got the yearly streetparade starting tomorrow, I decided to create a trance track for fun. I had my Trance-phase somewhen around 1992, so I'm not really listening to that genre anymore and I have no clue what's going on (yes I'm an old fart).

Anyhow.. So I started working on it and came up with a chord progression which I really like.. The problem is... I think I've heard the exact same progression in the radio or so, but can't figure what song it is!

I've just uploaded a couple of bars of the lead synth to dropbox, would you be so kind and just quickly listen to it and let me know if this sounds like a known song? I'm pretty convinced I heard this not too long back (must have been some damn Guetta song with the same progression!). If it doesn't exist I'll finish the song, I like it a lot :D

Thanks!

Here's the link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4688051/SP2012_snippet.mp3

rlubeck 2012-08-11 03:19

Well, ehr, here's the thing, and I'm going to be harsh but real since you claim you became a trancehead in an excellent period of trance tunes, the 90's.
It's the easiest, most basic and overused chord progression ever used in dance music, to the point it's almost sickening.

I refuse to call tracks that use similar progressions like that trance. It's cheesy, poppy, reeks of eurodance and gives the genre a very bad name.
So much so even, that alot of younger people think trance is nothing but tunes with pogressions like that one.

If you want to use this because you "like this alot" as you say, please rethink. You should be able to differentiate actual quality trance music (in whatever subgenre you can think of) from the generic popdance cheesiness some people *think* is trance.

My suggestion, drop it, listen to some good tunes, get inspired and start over, even when you're doing this just for fun.
Here are a few actual quality trance tracks ranging from progressive to vocal to high energy, that DON'T feature chord progressions like the one you've uploaded.

Planisphere - Moonshine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU5-4xPQZI

Jan Johnston - Flesh (remix) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKWHy4KUp0

Push - Universal Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnBeTPpr98g

Jagwah 2012-08-11 03:46

Push - Universal Nation, that's a great tune.

djauryn 2012-08-11 05:44

well, I think you might be thinking of this tune (in one of it's many iterations)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut_rNWTXzzA

Agree with the above posters though that this stuff is terribly cheesy and not really trance... (doesn't hypnotize)

but hey, the chord progression is not exactly the same, so you're in the clear!

MayorMcCheese 2012-08-11 07:20

It’s the music base during Jimmy Page’s guitar lead on “Stairway to Heaven”; the classic Am/G/F/F/G/Am chord progression. Actually, it’s the progression for about 1,387 rock songs varying in tempo from around 80 bpm to 130 bpm.

Oh, wait a minute … Trance? Gee, I don’t know. It might only be the first time or two.

danny_f 2012-08-11 08:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlubeck (Post 1113924)
Well, ehr, here's the thing, and I'm going to be harsh but real since you claim you became a trancehead in an excellent period of trance tunes, the 90's.
It's the easiest, most basic and overused chord progression ever used in dance music, to the point it's almost sickening.

I refuse to call tracks that use similar progressions like that trance. It's cheesy, poppy, reeks of eurodance and gives the genre a very bad name.
So much so even, that alot of younger people think trance is nothing but tunes with pogressions like that one.

If you want to use this because you "like this alot" as you say, please rethink. You should be able to differentiate actual quality trance music (in whatever subgenre you can think of) from the generic popdance cheesiness some people *think* is trance.

My suggestion, drop it, listen to some good tunes, get inspired and start over, even when you're doing this just for fun.
Here are a few actual quality trance tracks ranging from progressive to vocal to high energy, that DON'T feature chord progressions like the one you've uploaded.

This post made me physically ill for a moment.

danny_f 2012-08-11 08:12

To illCarl.

Finish your track anyway. Who cares if its been done. Who cares if its cheesy. The point is to have FUN. Now go out there and PLAY.

God its been a creative desert here for so long... I wish I had half of the momentum you seem to have right now. Stop THINKING!!!! just GO WITH IT! =)

Wensell 2012-08-11 09:19

So true, Danfarmer! Often it is your own thoughts (I'm not good enough) that keep your song half finished, pushed away and forgotten on a 5400 rpm HDD. Just do it!

illCarl 2012-08-11 13:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlubeck (Post 1113924)
Well, ehr, here's the thing, and I'm going to be harsh but real since you claim you became a trancehead in an excellent period of trance tunes, the 90's.
It's the easiest, most basic and overused chord progression ever used in dance music, to the point it's almost sickening.

I refuse to call tracks that use similar progressions like that trance. It's cheesy, poppy, reeks of eurodance and gives the genre a very bad name.
So much so even, that alot of younger people think trance is nothing but tunes with pogressions like that one.

If you want to use this because you "like this alot" as you say, please rethink. You should be able to differentiate actual quality trance music (in whatever subgenre you can think of) from the generic popdance cheesiness some people *think* is trance.

My suggestion, drop it, listen to some good tunes, get inspired and start over, even when you're doing this just for fun.
Here are a few actual quality trance tracks ranging from progressive to vocal to high energy, that DON'T feature chord progressions like the one you've uploaded.

Planisphere - Moonshine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXU5-4xPQZI

Jan Johnston - Flesh (remix) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKWHy4KUp0

Push - Universal Nation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnBeTPpr98g




Hi Rlubeck

Many thanks for your reply. It's ok to be harsh and real, I like a good debate :)


Well, let me put it this way: I wouldn't say I became a trancehead.. I just had a phase in the early 90's (basically it was one of my first steps in to the world of electronic music), however I rather quickly moved away from that style since to me every single trance track started sounding very very cheesy to me.

And it got worse... I got to a point where I would only listen to Detroit / Acid / and maybe Progressive Techno (at least that's what it was called at that time.. ) because I wanted to be "underground".

I started refusing to listen to any track containing lead synths, vocals, a piano or whatever could create a melodic element in a track. You know why? I thought it was not "underground" enough.. It was all "commercial bullshit" to me. To me it meant that a producer didnt know about "real" music. In my mind, producers who were not "underground" had sold their souls and were just after the quick buck.

It took a while to realise how stupid I was.

I started DJ'ing and quickly had to realise that only a minority of clubbers (not producers / musicians... normal clubbers, ravers etc.) do care about an idealistic view of music. Most prople just wanted to dance to songs THEY like, no matter how cheesy they were.

So when you say "alot of younger people think trance is nothing but tunes with pogressions like that one".. So what? What exactly is wrong about it? Don't get me wrong.. As mentioned above, I was feeling the same thing... But why? Why can people not just enjoy whatever type of music they want? Does it make them bad people? Is it written anywhere?

I was lucky enough to start dj'ing in some of the major clubs in Zurich. To get there however I had to change my mind and start compromising on the music I'd like to play.. I had to go buy some "mainstream" records.. Vocal House, 2Step etc.

All of a sudden I had changed camp, I was basically doing what I had always denounced: I was playing records which would allow me to get gigs in certain clubs, but I was not allowed to play the music I really loved.

This went on until I realised one thing: The people in front of me paid to get into the club and have a great night.. They don't want to listen to the music I like, they want to listen to the music THEY like! If I want to play my music, I'd need to do it for myself or in small venues, private events etc. That's not what I wanted. I wanted to play for "the masses".

I am 34 now and feel ashamed about my early elitary way of thinking. I still love Acid, Detroit, Progressive etc, but If you look up my soundcloud page you will find also some commercial stuff.

To get back to the Chord Progression.. No matter how cheesy this chord progression sounds.. Nowadays I can easily admit that I like it a lot without fearing to loose "credibility". I still love Detroit and Acid, I still produce it and there are some people who enjoy those tracks. However, I wouldn't mind seeing some people dancing to the cheasiest synthline I ever produced and make me rich :D

I cannot make a living from my music, I stopped DJ'ing years ago and 90% of my productions are not exactly "mainstream".. But I am proud to have a song played on national radio (funny enough that it's not even a cheesy one..lol), But as said.. If I could make a buck or two with the cheasiest lead synth in the world, I'd do it immendiately! Because likeing a cheesy track doesnt mean you're not allowed to like "quality" music too.

That's just my view though.. I know this was a lengthy reply, but I find it quite fascinating topic :)

illCarl 2012-08-11 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by djauryn (Post 1113957)
well, I think you might be thinking of this tune (in one of it's many iterations)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut_rNWTXzzA

Agree with the above posters though that this stuff is terribly cheesy and not really trance... (doesn't hypnotize)

but hey, the chord progression is not exactly the same, so you're in the clear!

I found it!! See vid below ;)

For the rest.. See my reply to Rlubeck :)

Thanks



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