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Dogboy1973 2012-11-03 03:31

Learning to play ..... Again!
 
Every so often I get the strong urge to have another crack at learning to play keyboards/ piano. Usually something starts me off like seeing someone else play, or getting a new synth (in this case it's Antidote) that makes me hungry to learn again. But I always struggle with this. In the past I've taken piano lessons, bought books on music theory, scales, chords etc, tried self teaching, ear training (which i was pretty good at up to a point) But I never seem to get anywhere! I get a lot of the theory but I seem to have a mental block putting it into practice! Ive tried learning scales/chords but I end up making music I don't like! :confused:

So what to do! Ultimately I'd like to be able to transcribe ideas I get in my head. But I'd love to be able to play with even a basic level of confidence as well. I feel I need a new approach though as piano lessons learning 'merrily we roll along' and 'Michael row your boat ashore' bored me senselessly + I just didn't feel like I was really anything! Any thoughts, ideas, advise, pearls of encouragement please? Or is it just that some people are not meant to do this kind of thing? :confused:

RXTX 2012-11-03 06:34

Well why don't you start by learning to play songs you actually like?

When I first picked up the guitar, I started by learning my favorite AC/DC licks, not some boring folk tunes. That kept me going.

Persk 2012-11-03 07:10

Have you tried using scale and chord tools on a smart phone / tablet?

Dogboy1973 2012-11-03 07:26

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Originally Posted by RXTX (Post 1169974)
Well why don't you start by learning to play songs you actually like?.

I've tried playing some Boards of Canada and other electronic stuff I like ..... With limited success! It's a bit of a skill to do that I think. Unless of course you have some actual music notation to follow. But you're right. I guess I should spend more time trying to do this.

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Originally Posted by Persk (Post 1169981)
Have you tried using scale and chord tools on a smart phone / tablet?

I've got a few on my iPad. Some of those are good but I end up coming up with stuff that I guess is musically 'correct' but that doesn't do much for me personally. Getting the music in my head down is what I've always tried to do. But without more musical skills it's difficult to do. Guess I'm trying to run before I can walk! I'm always looking for shortcuts and cheats :)

Rattmowe 2012-11-03 15:10

I've picked up the keyboard in the last year, (after a lifetime of playing guitar so I did have a starting point) but the things that helped me the most were, a) finding some songs that were good to play, but manageable and b) finding youtube tutorials.

I started with trouble by Coldplay (i don't like coldplay, but it's simple and pleasing to play)

Then moonlight sonata by Beethoven (1st movement), nice and slow, but you get the hang of moving around the keyboard and there are a million tutorials on youtube

Then 'The way it is' by Bruce Hornsby

I've found the key to get started is to identify a song that you like, or at least would like to play, which is fairly simple, find a youtube tutorial, then bang your head against it for a couple of months

Shop around for good youtube tutorials too, some guys do them really well, a complete breakdown bit by bit

Once you can play something you like, you'll feel an urge to play, and then things get rolling

Redster930 2012-11-03 20:50

I have been doing the same thing recently.

All I have done is find a decent keyboard bit I fancy having a crack at and finding the midi file online. Import it into reason and delete all the other tracks then enter the key editor and work out what keys I need to press and when ;)

Then i check on youtube or something as to how to finger the chords and where to tuck or jump.

Then its just a case of doing each hands parts over and over and over again and before you know it your impressing the cat.

Repeat with next song you take a fancy to.

Because I am old I have been learning the intro to Bohemian Rhapsody recently - which is a challenge....

I started with "Is it mine" by Supertramp which is a really lah lah lah kinda song but has a piano part with a very tight left and right hand - both of which are quite easy to play. Managing to get this sort of thing together with left and right properly co-ordinating took months, but all of a sudden more complex parts are much less daunting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97cAUff0q4Q

Spectrephonic 2012-11-03 21:18

Now I get why you want midi out so bad!

/ducks

pullpoti 2012-11-03 22:43

Why don't you compose your own music (it doesn't need theory) and learn through that?
Just practice what comes from inside you.

Dogboy1973 2012-11-04 02:04

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Originally Posted by Spectrephonic (Post 1170296)
Now I get why you want midi out so bad!

Its because I can't play for toffee! :D

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Originally Posted by pullpoti (Post 1170317)
Why don't you compose your own music (it doesn't need theory) and learn through that? Just practice what comes from inside you.

That's what I'm always trying to do ;) Easier said than done. But I guess I just need to go at it and stick with it. I did take to singing/humming/whistling into my phone recorder. I later try and transcribe the parts. This seems to be the most direct root but I think if I knew more about music and could play better it would happen more smoothly - takes me a time to try and work stuff out. It gets a bit tedious to be honest ...... And here I am again trying to work out how to do it in a better way ;)

Thanks for everyone's input. Some great ideas and encouragement. Much appreciated ;)

xDJDroidx 2012-11-04 08:43

Had a friend who used this, Pianoforall. He said it really helped him.

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Originally Posted by Dogboy1973 (Post 1169905)
learning 'merrily we roll along' and 'Michael row your boat ashore' bored me senselessly

According to what my friend tells me, this doesn't use the above methods, and has a completely different way of teaching. Don't have any personal experience with this product, but it might be worth a look.



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