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dreason 2012-11-21 06:51

Why FM Synthesizer?
 
Why FM Synthesizer in Reason7?
Isn't it Thor?
I think Thor is powerful,and itself is also FM synthesizer.
why don't you use it in depth?
So,
Don't ask for anything more in Reason7.
Of course,I believe Propellerheads will bring about surprise.

eXode 2012-11-21 09:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreason (Post 1182081)
Why FM Synthesizer in Reason7?
Isn't it Thor?
I think Thor is powerful,and itself is also FM synthesizer.
why don't you use it in depth?
So,
Don't ask for anything more in Reason7.
Of course,I believe Propellerheads will bring about surprise.

Thor cannot do real 4-OP (like DX100) or 6-OP FM (like DX7) where all 4 or 6 operators interact with each other because Thor only have 3 FM operators in pairs. So it's not the same thing. :)

BonezMcCoy 2012-11-21 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreason (Post 1182081)
Why FM Synthesizer in Reason7?
Isn't it Thor?
I think Thor is powerful,and itself is also FM synthesizer.
why don't you use it in depth?
So,
Don't ask for anything more in Reason7.
Of course,I believe Propellerheads will bring about surprise.

So your feature suggestion is that Propellerhead remove the Feature Suggestion Forum from their boards, right?

dreason 2012-11-21 10:35

You are wrong.
Don't forget Modulation bus.
Osc1 can control Osc1 FM.
And you still can use Osc2 control Osc1.
Then little by little.

eXode 2012-11-21 13:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreason (Post 1182163)
You are wrong.
Don't forget Modulation bus.
Osc1 can control Osc1 FM.
And you still can use Osc2 control Osc1.
Then little by little.

No, I'm not wrong, but you are. :)

Even with the modulation bus, you only have 3 oscillators in Thor and the FM operators are locked in Pair. So if you use OSC1 to modulate OSC2 with FM then BOTH operators of OSC1 will always modulate BOTH operators of OCS2. On DX7 the 6 operators can modulate each other more freely.

Also, on a real FM synthesizer like the DX7, each of 6 operators have their own AMP/VOL envelope, so that means 6 envelopes for AMP. Thor only have 3 envelopes (4 with Global, but that is not polyphonic) where only one is for AMP

To be brutally honest, you need to learn about how real FM synthesis in the DX7 works, before coming in here and telling people they are wrong, because you clearly don't know how it works.

dreason 2012-11-21 13:50

ok
I'm wrong.
Do you tell me about DX7 how it works?

dreason 2012-11-21 13:53

and how about FM8?

eXode 2012-11-21 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreason (Post 1182238)
ok
I'm wrong.
Do you tell me about DX7 how it works?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreason (Post 1182240)
and how about FM8?

It's not simple to describe FM, it is very advanced. FM8 is similar to DX7, but with more features.

DX7 have six (6) operators (it's another word for oscillator). These oscillators only produce sine wave. Each operator (oscillator) have it's own envelope for volume so there's six (6) envelopes in total for volume. Also, the 6 envelopes in DX7 are not standard ADSR type, but a special envelope that have eight (8) stages. The DX7 have 32 "algorithms" which are basically setups for how each of the six (6) operators interact with each other. Also, every algorithm have feedback. If you really want to learn more about this, I suggest that you read the DX7 manual:

http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/...ynth/DX7E1.pdf

Cheers.

ayello 2012-11-21 15:10

I think a real FM synth would be a usefull addition in Reason
I miss this kind of sound.


Best
Michel

jlgrimes 2012-11-21 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayello (Post 1182273)
I think a real FM synth would be a usefull addition in Reason
I miss this kind of sound.


Best
Michel

I think a GUI Rewrite would be needed.

6 operators, 32 algorithms, 6 advanced envelopes. That would make a busy screen. Thats why most FM synths have multipage interfaces.

RE SDK would need to handle this to get those advanced type digital synths such as FM.


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