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Pat303 2012-11-25 17:15

A fellow Propellerhead needs YOU!
 
Friends, Romans, Propellerheads…lend me your ears!

I've just submitted a track to a songwriting competition and I'd really appreciate any feedback you'd be kind enough to offer. Here it is:

http://soundcloud.com/skollob/bad-riddance

If you have time, I'd also hugely appreciate you voting for your favourite track in the competition - it might be mine (hint, hint), but to be fair it might be someone else's. You decide! To vote you need to be a member of Basschat, the website hosting the competition. It's very easy to join, the usual few clicks and a confirmation email (and it's genuinely 100% spam free). It's also a damn useful site for tips on mixing and mastering, with a number of very helpful pro engineers in the community.

You can listen to the various entries and cast your vote via the link below. My entry is under the name Skol303:

http://basschat.co.uk/topic/192756-n...n-voting-time/

Thank you fellow Prop'headz!

PsyTale 2012-11-25 20:00

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Originally Posted by Pat303 (Post 1185073)
Friends, Romans, Propellerheads…lend me your ears!

I've just submitted a track to a songwriting competition and I'd really appreciate any feedback you'd be kind enough to offer. Here it is:

http://soundcloud.com/skollob/bad-riddance

If you have time, I'd also hugely appreciate you voting for your favourite track in the competition - it might be mine (hint, hint), but to be fair it might be someone else's. You decide! To vote you need to be a member of Basschat, the website hosting the competition. It's very easy to join, the usual few clicks and a confirmation email (and it's genuinely 100% spam free). It's also a damn useful site for tips on mixing and mastering, with a number of very helpful pro engineers in the community.

You can listen to the various entries and cast your vote via the link below. My entry is under the name Skol303:

http://basschat.co.uk/topic/192756-n...n-voting-time/

Thank you fellow Prop'headz!

The vocals arent within the rythm, you keep missing the beats. Listen to proper tracks once, words usually fall on a beat/hat/snare/etc.. The composition isnt my piece of cake persee. Its like you didnt think about that at all, through the whole track. The result is that it seems your singing for another track then the one thats playing (like the 2 dont belong).

Pat303 2012-11-25 20:09

^ Thanks for the feedback Psy. Interesting comments about the vocal - I hadn't noticed the timing issues myself, I'll check that out and see if/where it needs fixing.

I'm not sure vocals always have to be on beat however. I've just listened to a bunch of favorite tracks by everyone from Led Zep to Hot Chip and they don't seem to follow the rule you mention. But that's not to say that my own vox aren't way out of shape! ;-)

Thanks again for listening. Appreciated.

PsyTale 2012-11-25 20:11

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Originally Posted by Pat303 (Post 1185140)
^ Thanks for the feedback Psy. Interesting comments about the vocal - I hadn't noticed the timing issues myself, I'll check that out and see if/where it needs fixing.

I'm not sure vocals always have to be on beat however. I've just listened to a bunch of favorite tracks by everyone from Led Zep to Hot Chip and they don't seem to follow the rule you mention. But that's not to say that my own vox aren't way out of shape! ;-)

Thanks again for listening. Appreciated.

Maybe my explaination isnt the best, but something is odd about the track and i dunno what. Sorry. I was thinking maybe its timing, but maybe its something else. It doesnt feel coherent to me.

Pat303 2012-11-25 20:24

No problem! It could be that it's all played in live - the bass, drums, guitars, piano, etc, are all played to a click rather than being quantized - I know there are definitely some timing issues in places but I left them in to give it more 'human' feel. Perhaps I should have quantized some of the instrumentation to improve the groove... ? Anyway thanks again for the honest feedback. Very useful.

koma7 2012-11-25 20:32

It's good, however i'm not really feeling it, it's not because of the style or how you've recorded it, it's a good clean mix, but I feel it's missing quite a bit of dynamics, especially because there's not too much going on in the track, I recommend you work on them a bit more to make them stand out more and get the mix pumping, otherwise it just sounds a little too flat and raw at the moment for me. Otherwise good job and good luck. :)

DIGITUS 2012-11-26 00:32

I think the syllabic phrasing is a little awkward and that gives the impression of mis-timing issues. I also thought the vocal is somewhat dry and a little flat or off key in places. However, the dead pan vocal delivery does fit the mood of the track well. I didn't like the theremin like noise that comes in around 1:33. I found it irritating or grating but that could just be a personal preference issue. I hope my feedback doesn't come across as rude or mean. I'm just trying to offer constructive feedback as a first time objective listener. Overall it's a pretty good track and it's about 80% of the way there!

Pat303 2012-11-26 11:51

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Originally Posted by koma7 (Post 1185153)
It's good, however i'm not really feeling it, it's not because of the style or how you've recorded it, it's a good clean mix, but I feel it's missing quite a bit of dynamics...

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Originally Posted by DIGITUS (Post 1185244)
I think the syllabic phrasing is a little awkward and that gives the impression of mis-timing issues. I also thought the vocal is somewhat dry and a little flat or off key in places....I hope my feedback doesn't come across as rude or mean. I'm just trying to offer constructive feedback as a first time objective listener.

^^ Thanks guys, I really appreciate you taking the time to listen and give feedback! These are exactly the kind of comments I need to help improve, which is great :-)

Re. dynamics, I was kinda worried that I'd overload the mix if I added any more instrumentation, but good to know there's room for some extras. I'll have a think about that and see what I could add in. Might also play with some compression settings during the louder sections to give them more 'oomph' in comparison to the quieter ones.

Re. vocals... yeah, I'm definitely no singer! ;-) This is only the third song I've ever recorded myself singing on, so I have a long way to go before my pitch and timing are accurate. The vocal recording was full of sibilance and plosives too, which I found really difficult to fix. But hey, it's all good practice!

Thanks again for your advice.

scoobyman 2012-11-26 14:28

I didn't like the vocals at first, but somehow when it all came together mid way through I like them. I think the nature of the song takes a moment to get. I really like the acoustic guitar and bass.

Pat303 2012-11-26 15:14

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Originally Posted by scoobyman (Post 1185456)
I didn't like the vocals at first, but somehow when it all came together mid way through I like them. I think the nature of the song takes a moment to get. I really like the acoustic guitar and bass.

Thanks Scooby! Cheers for having a listen. Glad you like the bass and acoustic... I'm a bassist when not playing with Reason (albeit an amateur one), although I'd never really picked up a guitar before recording this track. Took me about a month to learn the chords - the easy part - and then learn how to progress between them while playing - the difficult part! Learnt a bunch of new skills while doing so, which is always a good thing :-)


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