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danktle 2013-08-19 03:31

Time to bring back an old dead horse around here... VST SUPPORT IN REASON 8!!!
Seems to me that the bulk of items on the wish list can be solved in one fell swoop...

VST support. Or RTAS. Or whatever format. But something is needed to get third party plugins working inside of Reason. Period.

C'mon Props. We've been asking for this in one way or another ever since Version 2.0.

It won't defeat the purpose of RE's. RE's = pretty inside the reason rack. VST's = ugly additional floating windows that I agree that go against the INITIAL grain of what reason was designed to do. But it has to be done. you have reached the crux of what this program can do by itself, and you're killing yourselves by trying to reinvent the wheel with every upgrade of this program.

With RE support and the SSL mixer, along with multiple other oddities and what I consider to be admissions of oversight on your behalf (as evidenced by two compressors, "improved" EQ's, not to mention a Vocoder well before there was external audio capability, and so on) Reason has long since violated the prime directive of being simple and straightforward. Not to say that you have taken steps in the wrong direction or that the program is no longer user friendly, but instead, I'm arguing that you have been inching closer and closer to the ultimate fate of what Reason should and could have been all along. Ever since combining Record and Reason into one program, you have stepped into the Major Leagues of DAW's, and you are now staring at a gaping hole in your feature set.

ReWire is still the only way to get the best of both worlds, but are you telling us that buying two DAW's is the solution? What program should we use to record audio? Reason, or the other guy's software? Are we supposed to deal with two full featured mixers with professional quality channel strips? Two programs that handle unlimited midi tracks? Two programs that handle audio recording??? Why can't I have a Thor, a Maelstrom, and an FM8 or Moog Modular V all working in concert under one hood?

Again, I can't stress enough that I'm not trying to bash a beloved program that I have been loyal to since the beginning, and will remain loyal to no matter what comes next. But I’m saying that those of us who are devout followers will push your product into the realm of the competition as the single best DAW available on the market. You are one small step away from being that product. And you need to stop shying away from the next logical step that would’ve put Reason at the top of the heap long ago.

You will have all of your current instruments and devices as proprietary inside of your program, but with the holy grail of being able to combine them with third party plugins. Waves. Native Instruments. Arturia. Sony Oxfords. Izotope. And so on down the line. Being able to open these up would finally establish Reason as the product it was meant to be: the leader of the pack.

C’mon, Props. It's time.

Kaimata 2013-08-19 04:52

sorry to do this but -1

Propellerheads have chosen their path and it makes sense to me. We are already sorted for compressors thanks to Softube. A few more RE eq options would be nice now- pultec please and a Fabfilter Pro-Q type beast.

Then Propellerheads and friends can just concentrate on chiselling out creative effects and virtual instruments and we are done.

I like Reason as it is- with everything nicely sitting in the rack- VSTs would spoil that and would compromise performance.

Having said that...... I would like to be able to use my Kontakt libraries inside Reason.

joeyluck 2013-08-19 05:49

We have MIDI Out and Audio In for all of those floating windows ;)

nickmorgan19457 2013-08-19 08:14

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Albert Einstein

Also, tl;dr.

SteveDiverse 2013-08-19 08:40

Here's your solution:

PsyTale 2013-08-19 09:04

Im so fat up with this discussion! Let me put it simple; i hope they will never ever in a million years build in support for that crooked standard! I want my stable non crashing environment to remain exacly like this, re's rule!

If you need your vsts use another host and run reason in slave mode, seriously get over it!

craven 2013-08-19 12:44


Originally Posted by PsyTale (Post 1377530)
If you need your vsts use another host and run reason in slave mode, seriously get over it!

you wouldn't mind having Reason as rewire host though, right?

DJDark2010 2013-08-19 14:32

We have now MIDI Out - Why not use this with that:

Or simple use an old PC and plug a midi-interface - host your vst´s and triger it with reasons midi out , loop the audio back into reason - and thats it !

PsyTale 2013-08-19 20:55


Originally Posted by craven (Post 1377546)
you wouldn't mind having Reason as rewire host though, right?

Its just the whole VST discussion became obsolete when RE's came, the rest is fine. People keep pushing for a standard that Propellerhead didnt choose for a reason (gnif). So since they choose RE's and made it a great effort to make a new plugins standard this just becomes lame. The people that keep trying to get VST support is just lame.. Ive been using reason since version 1 came out and am a member here since 2003 most people know we all wanted a plugin support once and because vst was the most famous one this was what everyone wanted then. Now lets all get over this discussion and try and get RE's to a higher plateau.

phasys 2013-08-19 21:27


Originally Posted by danktle (Post 1377448)
C'mon Props.

I get extremely annoyed when I see this line.

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