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jwilburn 2003-03-31 09:06

Reason for Linux?
 
I know this probably isn't even on the drawing board, but hopefully I can plant the seed here.

I use Linux for everything from 2D graphics (GIMP) 3D graphics (Blender), office apps, web development, you name it, but so far the music industry hasn't seemed to notice the musical talents of the penguin powered OS. Sadly, I have about 4 programs I still have to keep Windows around for, 2 of which are Cubase and Reason, the other two I can run using an emulator if needed.

Propellerheads would be industry trendsetters if they would give Linux a chance and create a native port of Reason for Linux. (Don't use WINE or another emulator, it has to be native or it will flop).

Currently, companies like Industrial Light and Magic and Dreamworks are phasing out Windows workstations in favor of Linux workstations due to the increased performance and open architecture. Sony uses Linux to power the PS2, and is working with industry TV technology leaders to create a new Internet TV format powered by Linux, and working with Matsushtia (Panasonic) to create a multimedia enhance linux distro which they'll release free to the public. RedHat and several partners are also working on a similar multimedia savvy distro.

With support for all standard OS necessities including SMP, multithreading, journaled filesystems, RAID support, firewire, SCSI, etc. etc. Linux has the tools to do the job.

Anyhow, just wanted to get that out there. There are literally millions of Linux users worldwide, and growing daily, especially as resentment towards Microsoft grows and governments are pushing towards open standards and software. I'm sure RedHat would be more than happy to partner and help promote the music software industry's adaptation of Linux. Here's a few links for anyone interested. Thanks for letting me bend your ear.

RedHat:
http://www.redhat.com

Advanced Linux Sound Architecture:
http://www.alsa-project.org/

Simple Direct Media Layer:
http://www.libsdl.org/index.php

IDL Linux story:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6011

ANGULA (Audio Linux Distro) Home Page:
http://www.agnula.org/

Lomaxx 2003-03-31 13:39

I'd be interested in it, too.
 
Reason is one of the few programms, that makes me stick to Windows. With Gimp, Blender and Reason, there wouldn't be much left that i'm missing. And since MS really seems to come up with that unacceptable 'digital right management'. I'm going for Linux soon anyway. With or without Reason.

vectro 2003-03-31 20:09

Why? There are no other apps or sound drivers for Linux? n/t
 

Pixar 2003-03-31 21:08

Why not Propellerheads? Come on, please!
 
:Sadly, I have about 4 programs I still have to keep Windows around for, 2 of which are Cubase and Reason, the other two I can run using an emulator if needed.

You are not alone about that. I can hardly wait to start making music on Linux!

:Propellerheads would be industry trendsetters if they would give Linux a chance and create a native port of Reason for Linux. (Don't use WINE or another emulator, it has to be native or it will flop).

You're totally right about that.
I can imagine that a Linux version would involve a lot of programming work, so I won't care if i have to pay more for the Linux version, because the OS itself is free. Come on Propellerheads, this is a golden chance that won't come again.

I have one suggestion for the web-department of Propellerheads. Why not have a poll where we could vote whether or not we would like to see a Linux version of Reason? I'm guessing the results would be very convincing!

For your consideration
/Joachim

jwilburn 2003-03-31 21:26

Re: Why? There are no other apps or sound drivers for Linux? n/t
 
At one time there was no studio software either, or PC based music software for that matter. It's obviously here now, and someone had to be the first to do it.

This is just a logical move to another OS that's picking up steam worldwide, and in many countries is becoming the dominant OS. Again, someone has to be the first to do it. It's not a matter of if it happens, just when.

I'm not condoning that they stop supporting Windows or Macs, that would be stupid. Just add one more OS to the mix (pardon the pun).

Not to oversimplify the process, but I'm pretty sure the algorythms for their instruments and effects would be the same across the board, the big difference would be accessing the audio system for Linux (most likely ALSA), memory management, and the GUI work. Since the program is pretty much skin-based anyhow, the GUI should be fairly easy.

Anyhow, here's to hoping. :)

Farallon 2003-03-31 21:27

Re: Reason for Linux?
 
Er, would it have to be free?

Open Source?

If not, what distro would it be binary compatible with? All of them? Red Hat only?

I've been trying to find a viable commercial model for Linux myself for sometimt but I still don't see it happeneing (At least not with limited resources)

Commercial Linux Development can be a huge headache because of conflicting library licenses and such. That and the multitude of distros with unequal library usage makes it very hard to produce a commercial binary package.

For example, theough the GIMP is a decent free image editing package, PhotoshopElements at $79 is about 5 times better. But it's for Windows and Mac only. Why no Linux? Because of the above.

It'll happen some day, maybe with the LSB coming on. But there is still some time to go before it becomes "easy" or "natural" for real commercial application software to be ported to Linux and remain commercially viable.

jwilburn 2003-03-31 21:54

Re: Reason for Linux?
 
No, it wouldn't have to be free or open source. Those are common misconceptions about porting to Linux. Just because the OS is free / open source doesn't mean the apps have to be.

Most major OS's follow the LSB standard now, including RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, etc. Most "hard core" linux users who decide to use something different or role their own distro know how to get things to work on their own, and most businesses that develop for Linux develop for Redhat, with other distro's being able to use the binaries with little or no effort thanks to LSB and RPM's.

Adobe doesn't support Linux because they don't see a market there, as many of their clients don't use linux (let's face it, most designers use Macs), they don't think it would be financially feasible to port to linux. What you end up with in the linux community is a catch 22 situation. You have an OS that can run the apps, but not enough users because there's not enough apps. But you have development companies not supporting Linux because there's not enough users.

Fortunately, MS's business practices and government laws world wide concerning Open Source is making a considerable dent, and Linux is opening up.

The theory that linux is primative, clunky, hard to develop for or support is becoming largely outdated. If it can run games like Neverwinter Nights, Quake 3, Tribes 2, Unreal Tournament 2k3, etc, and 3D software like Maya, Blender, etc. it can run Reason.

One model a lot of companies use is this: Release for Mac and Windows version, and put out the Linux binaries free (still requires commercial Windows version and license to work). Users have the option to run the program on Linux if they choose, but do so on their own without commercial support.

Give me some Linux binaries and I'll gladly beta test and offer community support in the forums, etc. Many linux users would.

jwilburn 2003-03-31 22:12

OT - Photoshop Elements ! GIMP
 
I know this is off topic, but I feel you should take another look at GIMP. It's so much more flexible than PE. It can be used with web apps to create and edit graphics on the fly, it can be used to edit frames in video, and it has support for pretty much anything you'd want to do graphically, and there are hundreds of filters out there for it, all free. If you can't find one you like, use Script Fu (gimps scripting language) and make your own.

On the surface it might look pretty basic, but spend some time on it and you'll be amazed at what you can do with it. True Adobe's stuff is high dollar, and been in development for many years and has some features GIMP might not have, but GIMP is powerful and has feature PS doesn't have either. Both products are powerful. :)

BTW: What kind of product are you considering porting to Linux? I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences. E-mail if you'd like to talk more about it. I'm sure the Reason community is tired of hearing me ramble about linux.

VMudrak 2003-10-07 00:11

Linux's taking over; let's face it!
 
:Common reasonable people!

Turn your PC into workstation, once-forever.
Switch to Linux, and grab the Reason with you!

check this out!!!!

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3229
http://www.agnula.org/
http://www.vectorlinux.com/

There is an amazing software called Final Scratch which allows you to manipulate any digital audio file using analog turntables; but it runs only on Linux since they claimed that Windows is unstable!

FinalScratch (http://www.finalscratch.com) is not free (Linux is, but not all the product as one might see!) - it costs bloody $600.

But I am not concerned about the money here; if I will need to pay additional $ to see the Reason on solid OS, I will not eat for a month to achieve it.

Reason crew should see a big potential in expanding their product for another platform. That is how I see it.

All the best,

_vlado_

2009-10-09 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by VMudrak (Post 360368)
:Common reasonable people!

Turn your PC into workstation, once-forever.
Switch to Linux, and grab the Reason with you!

check this out!!!!

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3229
http://www.agnula.org/
http://www.vectorlinux.com/

There is an amazing software called Final Scratch which allows you to manipulate any digital audio file using analog turntables; but it runs only on Linux since they claimed that Windows is unstable!

FinalScratch (http://www.finalscratch.com) is not free (Linux is, but not all the product as one might see!) - it costs bloody $600.

But I am not concerned about the money here; if I will need to pay additional $ to see the Reason on solid OS, I will not eat for a month to achieve it.

Reason crew should see a big potential in expanding their product for another platform. That is how I see it.

All the best,

_vlado_


word.
Reason is the only thing that keeps me away from deleting windows as an off-OS from my comp. Please port it and make me a happy panda along with thousands of other linux users who are into music production. You can check out linux audio production forums to see how many people are actually involved in it and you'll see what a huge piece of a market you are missing.

p.s.: the software is fantastic though, I'm in love with it for years now ;P
rock on, propellerheads.


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