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Old 2009-05-31, 17:20
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My dream Music Production application... done by Propellerhead Software :]

Now that Record will help Reason make the jump I was waiting for some time (and now that I finally got enough cash) I finally decided to buy it
Bought it yesterday, let's see if it arrives this week, in time for my birthday

So even though Record 1.0 + Reason 4.0 starts to look like the perfect environment for me, it's still not "perfect" ...that's why I started this thread, so I'll add those features I wished someday to see in Record+Reason.

Assuming no 3rd product arrives to deal with VST's and MIDI-OUT, like Record did it for Audio Recording "with Reason", these are the things I would love to see in either of the existing products:

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Old 2009-05-31, 18:08
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in Reason 5.0: A Combinator-like truly modular Synth, with all basic "building blocks" snappable in horizontal rows of a vertically expandable internal rack.

Exactly like a combinator, but capable of using smaller multiple Thor-like modules in free form, all kept together automatically (but swappable and possible to rearrange) both horizontally and vertically, like in a traditional modular hardware synth, but with all the cable patching at the back.

(example of vertical racks with horizontal rows of modules or vertical strips of modules)

If possible, it would also accept any other Reason device, besides the ones only possible to use inside it.

A perfect example of such a free form modular synth would be KarmaFX VST, but all modules would snap together like mentioned above, and every CV and Audio routing would be done at the back, as usual in Reason.

PSOFT's VOID is also a good example of modules snapping together like their hardware counterparts, although I would hope that all the wiring could stay at the back, in a Reason-like way:

BTW, VOID's modules could also be a good inspiration on top of KarmaFX ones, especially the Pitch Shifter and Dynamic Pitch Shifter, the Scope, the various OSC's and a Beat Detector that could set the global tempo would be nice.


AAS's Tassman is also a good inspiration for the available modules. If it only had KarmaFX's OSC's and the GUI supported drag'n'drop in Player mode with rack flipping for module wiring at the back... it would be a very good alternative to what I'm asking for Reason.

Now, I see 2 possible scenarios to expose the controlling parameters (knobs, buttons).

1) A rigid, fixed solution, like Combinator, but with at least 4 to 8 sets or "pages" of 6 to 8 knobs, because knobs can emulate 2 state buttons but not the opposite. The "pages" of knobs would serve as a controlled way of breaking a small limit of available knobs. (Combinator could benefit from such a solution, btw). So a "page selection" button pair would be available to select the active "page" of 8 knobs.
This solution would keep the Remote implementation to control such device, simple: 8 knobs + Next/Previous/Absolute/Delta active page.

2) A completely free form solution of Controls (CV generators) exactly like the rest of the internal rack, maybe keeping 2 racks available, 1 closeable (to hide all the complexity of the device body) and one always open/shown, a bit like what I already suggested for a Combinator II


Besides Audio IN/OUTs, it should also care for CV IN/OUTs, also with the possible scenarios described above.

If possible, this modular device could be inserted inside normal Combinators, if at all needed, because right now, it's a mess to "Combine" Combinator-made devices.



So, WHY would anyone need yet another modular synth inside Reason ?

Thor has some limitations when one wants to source it with external sound generation, like the way its possible to overcome the lack of sample-player, wave-designer or granular OSC. This is already possible through the 4 INs and the Programmer matrix, but there's a problem with the polyphonic Envelope Generation.

Also, the available EG's in Thor are not enough for some sound generation, for example, complex FM patchs, 4 EG's are not enough, and although it's possible to add 4 more external EG's through the 4 CV INs, it still suffers from the same polyphonic control problem. It's a great solution for monophonic sounds, though.

Such a versatile truly modular device would help to overcome the VST problem (not 100% but close), because with such a device, one could truly emulate (besides creating, of course) lots of Instruments and Effects already available in VST/AU/... format.
Sure, some patches would become CPU hogs but hey, that's a problem already people have to deal with Reason "limitlessly" expandable Combinator or even Rack.

This device would open the way for 3rd party ReFills with emulations of known VST FX and VSTi's, if the available building blocks were well thought out (like I think the ones in KarmaFX are).

This would also be a good opportunity to introduce a powerful CV processing unit/module with conditional logic and math possibilities.

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Old 2009-06-15, 16:36
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Record could also benefit from such a device.

It could have a more effects driven combinator-like "box" with all the Amplifier, Controller, Filter, Modulator and Effects modules, while Reason's version would also handle the audio Generators (OSC's) modules, including sample-player, additive, wave drawing, pad and noise OSC's.

It would be great to see a routing thor-like matrix module, with all the Audio & CV ins/outs at the back, each with a label so the user could (re)name the In and the Out connection.

This way, one would have the option to make every routing decision through a module or ignore that option and go for the point-to-point wiring one. It would cater for both styles of making patches!

It could also double as a patchbay when using 1-to-1 routing. Right now, the only way to rename a connection is by using a Spider's label per connection/wire we want to rename... which is a bit of bulky solution in terms of rack space (I don't know about computer resources).
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Old 2009-07-15, 16:46
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From a Refill developer point of view (although curious power users would hate this, I'm sure), if this new device could Save its patches in a Published (closed) format, usable as a "black-box" in a Record-only setup, it would also solve a lot of the "What?! No VST support???" issues
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Old 2009-07-24, 16:03
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...and maybe, with a new Combinator-like device, we'll finally get the knobs/faders stepping automatically to the values of the target controls!

(something already talked about in the "NOTCH MODE FOR COMBINATOR" thread)
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Old 2009-07-25, 19:05
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Another vote for more knobs on the Combinator, perhaps a button to add a set of four at a time. I understand Propellerhead wanting to keep everything simple, but if we had more knobs on the Combinator, we could make Combi patches MUCH more reusable.

BTW, I just love Reason, I wish I had it when I was younger and had more time.
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Old 2009-07-17, 09:00
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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about!! ( =
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Old 2010-10-06, 13:26
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...this one's of a very low priority now, to me, since I gave up waiting and finally bought the KarmaFX Synth Modular.

Now to wait for Record's ReWire Master implementation
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Old 2011-05-05, 12:49
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Great!!!!!
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Old 2011-05-05, 13:00
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eheheh, wow, this is quite an old thread, but still relevant on some of the issues.

This modular request is one of those

...from the recent interviews I've watched and read and from what we've seen as new devices in Record 1.5 and Reason 5, I'm beginning to loose hope on this (so much so that I gave up and bought Live + KarmaFX and stared rewiring Record to it ...and now that the VST door was open, I stared investing more in VSTs instead of ReFills... that's what happens when one gets to a dead-end).

But, one never knows what's next, so, let's keep waiting and hoping for something to show up.


It would help to ease some pressure off Propellerhead shoulders if we could build our own more complex polyphonic devices.

This could lower the requests/suggestions we see all the time (and/or even VST support) if this power was given to the more advanced users.

Something more usable, less complex and some levels above Reaktor or Max/MSP, but still more modular, flexible and open-ended than what we currently can do inside a Combinator.
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