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Old 2011-03-25, 10:07
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Rant - Renovation of the Reason synths

eXode's rant on renovation of the Reason synths and other stuff
This is a compilation of most of my previous requests. These reflect my personal wishes and even though I understand that most of them are unrealistic and unlikely to happen (at least not in the current synths) I still want to voice them! And no, I don't want a new synth unless it's actually a digital FM/Additive synth that do something completely new, but in my dream, I would like to see the existing ones (esp Subtractor and Malström) refurbished to these new specs.

Reason
  • Not a synth, but incorporate an oversampling option to the Reason synths and devices with oversampling option on each device.
  • Master tune knob added to all instrument devices.
Subtractor II
  • Addition of an unison mode with selectable voices, 1-8 voices with detune and stereo spread, both monophonic and polyphonic modes.
  • Addition of a mod matrix at the bottom of the Sub, Thor inspired.
  • Four new high quality "analogue" waveforms with less aliasing in addition to the current ones.
  • Add a new model of the existing filter to either self oscillation or no self oscillation (or switchable).
  • Make Filter 2 multimode.
  • Addition of audio input on back.
  • EXT IN as option on on either OSC 1 or 2 for Ring Mod and FM use.
  • Incorporate an "old school" mode switch to retain backwards compatibility.
Malström II
  • Addition of an unison mode with selectable voices, 1-8 voices with detune and stereo spread, both monophonic and polyphonic modes.
  • Addition of a mod matrix at the bottom of the Malström, Thor inspired.
  • Linear FM between the oscillators.
  • Support for loading NN19 patches and wav/aif samples into the graintable slots.
  • Record stretch and neptune pitchshift technology could be incorporated and used on motion and shift when using samples.
  • Incorporate an "old school" mode switch to retain backwards compatibility.
Thor II
  • Addition of an unison mode with selectable voices, 1-8 voices with detune and stereo spread, both monophonic and polyphonic modes.
  • Addition of a sample playing oscillator supporting the loading of NN-19 patches (only the multisample data) as well as wav/aif samples.
  • Addition of Kong effect modules as filter modules, including the new filter, ring modulator, compressor, equalizer, overdrive, reverb and tape echo.
  • Add the stuff described in Things I think is missing in Thor.
Like stated in the beginning of this rant as well as in the "Things I think is missing in Thor" rant, these are some of my darkest id wishes for Reason (a percent anyways). Also the reason I want these updated and not new synths is that I actually think that the Sub and Malström are excellent instruments at the core and worh expanding on rather than just making new stuff.

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Old 2011-03-25, 10:41
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Here's something to think about. Should Thor incorporate more advanced FM options or should there be a dedicated FM synth? I'm starting to wonder if dedicated FM is the way to go. Props seem to like to make things that are user friendly and innovative and if you were able to make FM synthesis as intuitive as subtractive I think you'd be onto a winner. That's assuming it is even possible to do this though!
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Old 2011-03-25, 10:52
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Here's something to think about. Should Thor incorporate more advanced FM options or should there be a dedicated FM synth? I'm starting to wonder if dedicated FM is the way to go. Props seem to like to make things that are user friendly and innovative and if you were able to make FM synthesis as intuitive as subtractive I think you'd be onto a winner. That's assuming it is even possible to do this though!
Great comment!

For FM I think I'd prefer a dedicated FM synth simply because Thor's interface isn't very practical if you were to do full on 6-OP FM. I'm even thinking that it would be nice with a 8-OP FM synth (inspired by FS1R perhaps) that could also double as a simple 8 partial additive synth. I really think Native Instruments nailed FM pretty good with the FM8.

The Yamaha FS1R was really nice with it's 8 operators, 8 unvoiced operators and a modelled multimode filter ontop of that. Not to forget the excellent effects. It was a beatst to program though, even with a PC editor. If they could somehow retain that amazing power from that 8-OP synth but in a fairly intuitive interface I'd be a very happy chap indeed!

Also I think that for FM it would be good to deviate from the "standard" subtractive form of octave and semitone tuning and allow actual tuning of each operator in Hz (you could still keep octave+semi for simpler applications though). Hz tuning of operators in a FM synth would be very nice actually.

Yes, apart from my various suggestion on improvements on the existing synths in Reason i would love a 'pure' digital synth for FM and additive. It just opens new doors altogether in sound design.
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Old 2011-03-25, 14:48
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+1 for a dedicated FM synth.

@Exode, you mention a unison mode for all the synths. I know that's not the same thing as the current unison device, but could it be added as a new post-processing effects device rather than new parameters on the synth itself?
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Old 2011-03-25, 16:42
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@Exode, you mention a unison mode for all the synths. I know that's not the same thing as the current unison device, but could it be added as a new post-processing effects device rather than new parameters on the synth itself?
I don't think it's an option because it won't sound as good as the "real deal" unison imho. It could be an additional thing but not instead of unison on the actual device.

Also I do want to add some food for those arguing about breaking the original specs of the synths: Props already broke the specs on another device, twice even. The Combinator. Reason 4 brought the freely routable sources as well as new sources (modwheel etc). Reason 5 brought the 4 CV inputs on the back of the programmer.

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Old 2011-09-29, 17:10
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Great comment!

The Yamaha FS1R was really nice with it's 8 operators, 8 unvoiced operators and a modelled multimode filter ontop of that. Not to forget the excellent effects. It was a beatst to program though, even with a PC editor. If they could somehow retain that amazing power from that 8-OP synth but in a fairly intuitive interface I'd be a very happy chap indeed!
erm...was? the fs1r is still nice :-)
if reason would have something like this (or like sytrus), i wouldn't have to mess around with that ugly rewire-thing.
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Old 2011-10-25, 10:21
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I guess that I'm a dreamer but I just thought of all the cool things that would be possible if they made a Malström 2 that included a mod matrix. Ability to do linear FM between the oscillators, the ability to use any of the three envelopes for Index modulation or even aftertouch for Index modulation. The ability to modulate both the Shaper Amt and Resonance from any mod source (such as envelopes and or modulators). The ability to more freely choose how you modulate parameters with the two modualtors (i.e. not constrained to just the pre routed options).

Malström would become so much more than it already is and I think that it would be a well justified upgrade.

Then imagine unison mode with 2-8 voices and voicde detuning on top of that!

And before anyone say anything: No you can't do it with a combinator because you would loose polyphonic modulation capability.
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Old 2011-05-19, 00:29
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As a big fan of the DX7 (and latterly the FM7) it would be great to have a dedicated DX7 / FM Synthesis type synth. Especially if I were able to import/convert my old DX7 library as I could in the FM7
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Old 2011-09-29, 08:39
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Old 2011-03-25, 15:20
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Thor
• Addition of an unison mode with selectable voices, 1-8 voices with detune and stereo spread, both monophonic and polyphonic modes.
• Addition of a sample playing oscillator supporting the loading of NN-19 patches (only the multisample data) as well as wav/aif samples.
• Addition of Kong effect modules as filter modules, including the new filter, ring modulator, compressor, equalizer, overdrive, reverb and tape echo.
• Add the stuff described in Things I think is missing in Thor.
The ability to do FM/Ring Mod/OscSync type stuff with audio into oscillators, rather than just the current ability to use audio input purely as FM on the current oscillators would be lovely. NN-8.5 .... I like that idea, sir!

While I agree on more Filter-emulation modules, I remain unconvinced modules is the way to go for Thor FX. It doesn't work in Kong, it won't work in Thor: a) it just ties us to having to load a huge machine just to get a nice effect and b) there's no point in doing them unless Props sort out the automation and let us create lanes for every parameter. Do we really need another compressor? So no more synth-module FX, please, no...

Rest of the ideas though, would be very nice to see. Props need to semi-ditch backward compatibility and move those old synths forward with the old school switches for compatibility whoring.

An FM Synth, though... would be nice to go to town on a full-on 8 or more op synth. Having played around with the FS1R samples I have in Retrospective, it's a lot of fun.
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