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Old 2011-08-31, 04:23
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Exclamation Alesis USB Studio Drum Kit and Reason

Has anyone used an Alesis USB Studio electronic drum kit with Reason? I'm planning on buying one and wondered if it was possible to use it effectively to play out live, along with sequences in reason. Can make the drums in the Combinator and also, can you change the patches somehow? I'm looking at using Reason with live drum playing and also having my brother use an analog to MIDI converter to trigger bass sounds with an electric bass. Anyone have any insight into this, or have tried this?
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Old 2011-08-31, 06:22
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We don't use it live but we've used it successfully in the studio for all tracks (ok some are EZ Drummer loops here and there too).

I use it with RDK2 (my own custom RDK production kit combi) and you can hear it on our tracks (follow the soundcloud links). Also, check out the massive drum thread we've had going as well (not sure in General or Users Forum....hmmmm...).

As for the USB Pro Kit. I like it. It's fun to play although I find some complicated playing causes some headaches with retriggering other sounds but I clean them off the recording as I don't really know exactly what I"m doing on the Trigger IO brain yet. I also don't have the hi-hat pedal triggering properly for really REALLY subtle stuff.

To answer your questions, you can assign any trigger in the brain to anything you want. So you could do remote overrides to changes patches on combis but you' give up a trigger to do it. You're better off getting a 2 button MIDI foot switch for that I'd think or hide the laptop behind the drummer and let him mouse changes. For drums I don't know how many patch changes you'd really want though.
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Old 2011-08-31, 15:06
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@ Storm, what are your thoughts on the real head pads? I've read mixed reviews. Also do you have any tips for dealing with latency?
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Old 2011-08-31, 17:02
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I'm not sure which pads you mean. Mine is a year or two old now so I have the black-faced heads. To me, they're a little hard to be 'realistic' but because of the functions in the brain they work really really good for subtle stuff like ghost notes. Functionally - great. Realistically - kind of hard. (These are the black ones just to be clear).

The only problem I have in the set up is the hi-hat pedal. It seems to trigger at a weird point on the press and if I hold it down too far it retriggers but I haven't move my foot. It's a sensitive thing to get right. I remember watching a YT video though from a guy who got the set and reviewed it with some of his tweaks. Let me find it.....

This guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjf91g9tnDs
In part two he talks about the hi-hat. I still don't figure I've completely understood his tweaks.

ok found another one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hHLDrE_XLc

Listen at 13 seconds. It's subtle to hear but when you're repeating hi-hat notes it seems like it chokes briefly. Once he starts playing it's fine. But I hear the same thing at 13 seconds that I hear on mine. It's slight but it's there in this video. I haven't figured out how to make subtle hi-hat playing work for me yet the way the snare does.

Latency? Well, I have a really good sound card with really good drivers (Echo Audio AudioFire 4) and it's slightly better MIDI In than the USB cable.

BUT play with headphones on. Don't wait for the sound to come from the speakers across the room as you're drumming. I guess if you played live you'd have to run some cans (headphones) you'd drive yourself crazy waiting to hear the notes from the monitors.


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STEP ONE: Go to your local store.
STEP TWO: Purchase Felt-tipped STICKS! PLEASE!!! You will thank me for it.
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Old 2011-08-31, 18:13
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Interesting. Felt tips huh? Is that to cut down on the noise or do they just respond better?
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Old 2011-08-31, 21:51
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FELT TIPS!! OMG FELT TIPS!!

It serves three purposes. Two you've listed and the third is just helps your heads last longer and even cosmetically not appear blemished. The hard tips serve no purpose on those heads as you're physically pushing a microswitch. The hard tip sticks that come with the it will quickly cosmetically scar the heads. Plus the felt-tip sticks give a bit of 'bounce' that the harder heads give than regular skin does. So, I find you get a bit more versatile playing.

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Old 2013-04-05, 07:06
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You probably figured out this but I found this guy on youtube who does a decent job showig how ti hook up the alesis usb kit to reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERBgSv_1rsw
 

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