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Old 2012-02-23, 23:39
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I understand that music software is among the most pirated software there is (second perhaps to Windows). There are bodies like Team ASSiGN working diligently to crack everything that comes out with striking efficiency. The motivation to apply increasingly strong forms of DRM is clear. However, both a constant Internet connection and a dongle have disadvantages that I find crippling, and for that reason I am simply not going to buy Reason 6, no matter how polished I keep hearing it is.

Apart from my main production studio at home, I also have a laptop and a pair of travel headphones. I love to jot down ideas on the bus, on the plane, and without this capability I would lose a significant portion of my creative capital. I have no trouble doing this with Reason 5. But now suppose I had Reason 6.

Suppose I forgot my dongle. If I have 3G, I have to put up with Reason 6 freezing every so often due to my unreliable connection. If I don't have 3G, I simply can't produce.

Suppose I brought my dongle. I now have a chunk of aluminum sticking out the side of my laptop, brushing against the armrest or the person beside me, weakening the contact in my USB port and making me an awkward neighbor. The USB port eventually deteriorates to the point of unusability (which happened to my Dell Inspiron in 2007 due to my pen drive before Dells sucked).

Now suppose I'm at home in my production studio and my unreliable Canadian Internet goes out. I'm running Logic, Protools, Cubase, Reason 6, all of which have to use a dongle. Now I have to manage a lot of dongles. OK, that's not that big a problem because I can just buy a USB hub, but you can see how this problem is going to scale when more and more companies start using this method of DRM. Then suppose I lose the Dongle because I'm continually bringing it on the bus and the plane in order to produce there and I happen to misplace it one day. Well, now I'm screwed.

And so, I, a paying customer who loves and supports the software, am being punished with all sorts of inconvenience because someone else is behaving immorally. I wish Propellerheads was publicly traded so I could see if this DRM is actually causing an increase in profit. If it is, then one can't but draw the conclusion that there is in fact a significant number of producers with a moral compass so terrible that they choose to pirate Reason, simply because they can, despite having the money to buy it, and they don't buy it even after they learn that they enjoy it and wish for the development of new versions of it to continue. I hope, perhaps naively, that this isn't the case.

Now, this is the feature suggestion forum, so it would only be fair to actually suggest an alternative to the dongle and/or constant connection DRM paradigm. So, let's suppose that there is proof that some form of piracy control is necessary for the comfortable continuation of Propellerheads, and see if we can find a better form than currently exists.

Does anyone here use Steam? The digital video game distribution service? What they have is a form of DRM similar to the always-online that comes with Reason 6. However, there is one important difference that makes me find Steam DRM tolerable, and Reason 6 DRM intolerable. Steam has an offline mode that allows you to play your games for a few days without signing in. No, my games don't freeze the moment I lose my internet connection. They go on running for a few days. Given the enormous success of Steam, this DRM paradigm must be somewhat effective. Can we make it happen for Reason?

Footnote: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...3160-AGCB-2555 (FAQ about Steam offline mode)
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Old 2012-02-23, 23:53
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, I have to put up with Reason 6 freezing every so often due to my unreliable connection. If I don't have 3G, I simply can't produce.
If Reason is freezing it is not because of your internet connection, it doesn't constantly check.
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Old 2012-02-24, 03:45
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I really hope they listen to this. Paying customers do not deserve such treatment
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Old 2012-02-24, 04:38
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I use R6 all the time without ever having an internet connection. If the dongle is that big of a deal, then I don't know how they can please you and not have their software pirated like crazy.
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Old 2012-02-24, 11:12
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I really hope they listen to this. Paying customers do not deserve such treatment
What about non paying customers?
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Old 2012-02-24, 11:14
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What about non paying customers?
They should have a dongle sent to them, and be forced to use it..
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Old 2012-02-24, 13:09
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Steam sucks big time .... I would preffer a dongle, seriously !
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Old 2012-02-28, 13:18
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If Reason is freezing it is not because of your internet connection, it doesn't constantly check.
Try taking it out of the Fridge ' Only kidding Dude , actually i have never know Reason to freeze ' somtimes i used to use my sisters versions 4 & 5 ,,, *Online* & both of them used to Freeze/Slowing to the point of needed Reboot ,,,,,, that was a long time ago '
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Old 2012-02-29, 18:19
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che palle questi threads sulla ignition key!

go and buy an usb hub, bastaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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Old 2012-02-24, 10:29
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I understand that music software is among the most pirated software there is (second perhaps to Windows). There are bodies like Team ASSiGN working diligently to crack everything that comes out with striking efficiency. The motivation to apply increasingly strong forms of DRM is clear. However, both a constant Internet connection and a dongle have disadvantages that I find crippling, and for that reason I am simply not going to buy Reason 6, no matter how polished I keep hearing it is..
This post fails on so many levels it's almost like you've never used Record.

OK, so suppose you did have Reason 6.

"Apart from my main production studio at home, I also have a laptop and a pair of travel headphones. I love to jot down ideas on the bus, on the plane, and without this capability I would lose a significant portion of my creative capital. I have no trouble doing this with Reason 5. Suppose I brought my dongle. I now have a chunk of aluminum sticking out the side of my laptop, brushing against the armrest or the person beside me, weakening the contact in my USB port and making me an awkward neighbor. The USB port eventually deteriorates to the point of unusability (which happened to my Dell Inspiron in 2007 due to my pen drive before Dells sucked)"

If you are jotting ideas down, you don't even need the IK since you're only creating new files. Use the damn demo mode: that is what it's also there for. You complain about the IK but can't even be bothered to use the no-dongle ability the Props thoughtfully gave you to cover the exact situation you're bitching about.

And before you say "I need to load an existing file", then load it and take the IK out and put it safely away.

"Then suppose I lose the Dongle because I'm continually bringing it on the bus and the plane in order to produce there and I happen to misplace it one day. Well, now I'm screwed."

Do you lose your house keys often?

No, probably not. So why do you (and most of the anti-donglers) automatically assume that if they have a dongle they're going to lose it? It's really quite simple: look after it.

"And so, I, a paying customer who loves and supports the software, am being punished with all sorts of inconvenience because someone else is behaving immorally. I wish Propellerheads was publicly traded so I could see if this DRM is actually causing an increase in profit. If it is, then one can't but draw the conclusion that there is in fact a significant number of producers with a moral compass so terrible that they choose to pirate Reason, simply because they can, despite having the money to buy it, and they don't buy it even after they learn that they enjoy it and wish for the development of new versions of it to continue. I hope, perhaps naively, that this isn't the case."

You're not being punished - you're being rewarded. You have paid for a license to use the software. Those without a license and an IK are being punished. You can still use the program, they can't.

"Does anyone here use Steam? The digital video game distribution service? What they have is a form of DRM similar to the always-online that comes with Reason 6. However, there is one important difference that makes me find Steam DRM tolerable, and Reason 6 DRM intolerable. Steam has an offline mode that allows you to play your games for a few days without signing in. No, my games don't freeze the moment I lose my internet connection. They go on running for a few days. Given the enormous success of Steam, this DRM paradigm must be somewhat effective. Can we make it happen for Reason?"

Yes, Steam has a massively successful DRM model. You won't find any pirated Steam-based games.
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