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Old 2013-01-09, 04:26
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Exclamation Bread & Butter Sounds

It's really ironic to me,that a guitar player friend of mine turned me onto reason and yet,Reason always seemed to have been catering to the DJ/rapper/house crowd(considering the vast ocean of loop/beat/techno programs/software available)...versus the modest bread & butter sounds here and there.
I'm fine with this(but to a point),as I would like to see Propellerhead cater to all of the genres equally.
As far as pianos,drums & the odd e.guitar/acoustic stuff goes..well...between Reason's Refills and what e-soundz and Big Fish Audio has available...these areas are fairly covered well.
As for orchestral strings/brass...Propellerhead really falls short(in terms of comprehensive and authentic sounding VST's).
Not too long ago,I bought Sonic Reality's Gold Bundle library,but the bulk of this software is no better than the existing "factory" sounds.
It was still a good buy...but I want VST's that match the quality of my NI Komplete 6 orchestral sounds.
The main issue at hand,is that I am trying to build up a complete & comprehensive Reason 6 library(so as to not be dependent on NI)...which is on my other PC.
The installation of my NI software in my Presonus S1 DAW was a certifiable nightmare & what was worse,is that NI's customer support is the absolute worst in the industry & I will never buy another NI product....not ever.

That being said,I think it is imperative that Propellerhead should stop bombarding Reason users with an unnecessary phalanx of rack effects and begin adding some more usable sample-based sounds,to effectively compete with Native Instruments.

With regard to Propellerhead offering up some new sounds in general...well..programs such as the Korg Polysix and the PX7 is a decent start(although I am not in a rush to buy them as of yet)...as I am not sure they're necessary,considering how versatile Reason's existing synth engines are.
I'm really excited about the new Neo Soul Keys(especially for the price)...but what about the strings deficit?
The only authentic sounding strings that I'm aware of(apart from the f**king urban looped bulls**t),is Big Fish Audio's London Solo Strings...which is phenomenal sounding,but the program only has viola,cello and double-bass sounds.

Based on the horrible reviews of Reason's Refill Strings(as it were),I'm glad I never wasted my money on it....but what about Propellerhead replacing this now defunked program,with a serious upgrade?
In fact,what Propellerhead should do,is come out with a comprehensive orchestral upgrade that covers the entire gamut(strings,brass,choir and such).
I'd be happy if Big Fish Audio filled the void(if they could manage it at a reasonable cost)...because their Voxos: Epic Virtual Choir software for Kontakt 4 is $800.oo!!?
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Old 2013-01-09, 08:47
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Stick around, maybe Props will put out Radical Stringz.
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Old 2013-01-09, 12:42
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This is absolutely a valid point. The string etc. samples in the orchestral soundbank are pretty OK, but I often notice, that there are some undesired frequencies in the higher registers present in the samples and cutting these out just seems to make the samples sound worse... Reason needs betters strings and at least some basic choirs, whatever little is on offer here currently is a joke!

As for the radical strings suggestion, this would only cater for one area, that of strings. But what about brass and choirs? Naa, a proper all around sample library would be very welcome!

PS: ReTron is pretty cool, its a welcome alternative, however the samples contained are quite restricted. It needs more sounds!
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Old 2013-01-09, 16:29
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This is absolutely a valid point. The string etc. samples in the orchestral soundbank are pretty OK, but I often notice, that there are some undesired frequencies in the higher registers present in the samples and cutting these out just seems to make the samples sound worse... Reason needs betters strings and at least some basic choirs, whatever little is on offer here currently is a joke!

As for the radical strings suggestion, this would only cater for one area, that of strings. But what about brass and choirs? Naa, a proper all around sample library would be very welcome!

PS: ReTron is pretty cool, its a welcome alternative, however the samples contained are quite restricted. It needs more sounds!
Jensen,

I'm fairly certain that DrummahBoy was being sarcastic when he mentioned adding a "Radical Strings" module.
On a serious note though,adding an effects module,obviously does not fully compensate for the lack of sample quality.
On a long enough timeline,I think Propellerhead will get around to adding an orchestral upgrade...I mean to say,that since the strings software was discontinued(due to it being piss poor) and that the piano & bass refills are still available,it's an indication to me,that an upgrade is due to come out...eventually.
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Old 2013-01-09, 19:15
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Yep, got the drift but actually I'm nearly certain a potential next Radical something will be either a Strings or a Guitar thing
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Old 2013-01-09, 20:58
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Why are you writing in bold characters??? We're not blind!

Back to topic: it's fine to have the Orkester Sound Bank in Reason for free, but if you need more you should consider providers who are specialised in this kind of stuff, e.g. the Miroslav ReFill! Did you ever think about how expensive it is to record an orchestra? I can't emagine the price Props whould charge us for Reason if professional orchestra samples would be included!
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Old 2013-01-10, 02:58
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That being said,I think it is imperative that Propellerhead should stop bombarding Reason users with an unnecessary phalanx of rack effects and begin adding some more usable sample-based sounds,to effectively compete with Native Instruments.

I wouldn't necessarilly call them unnecessary, besides the majority of the rack fx in the shop aren't made by Propellerhead. As for competing with NI, why? Reason is a daw, NI stuff can only be used in addition to a daw, besides there are third parties for that (The kontakt format is huge because of third parties). Not to say that I wouldn't appreciate a good string refill from them, but I'd rather them focus on the core of the program; maybe adding disk streaming to nnxt or an new sampler with the same scripting abilities as kontakt so we could have access to the bigger more intricate libraries.
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I'm really excited about the new Neo Soul Keys(especially for the price)...

I'm assuming you mean Radical Keys? Grated I love NSK as well but as far as I know Jamal's not making a Re of the new 3X version anytime soon (if at all).
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The only authentic sounding strings that I'm aware of(apart from the f**king urban looped bulls**t),is Big Fish Audio's London Solo Strings...which is phenomenal sounding,but the program only has viola,cello and double-bass sounds.

It also has violin sounds. Not sure what other sounds you would expect from a string refill though. Violin, Viola, Cello, and Double-bass pretty much cover all the orchestral string instruments (harp?). Or were you referring to not having orchestral horns or choirs? There is the vinatage horns refill from big fish audio but then gain its a bit more geared toward soul/jazz/funk.
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Old 2013-01-10, 04:48
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I wouldn't necessarilly call them unnecessary, besides the majority of the rack fx in the shop aren't made by Propellerhead. As for competing with NI, why? Reason is a daw, NI stuff can only be used in addition to a daw, besides there are third parties for that (The kontakt format is huge because of third parties).

You're right,calling the effects themselves,unnecessary, is a bit of a misnomer...but the fact that we're getting inundated by effects & shortchanged on VST's..doesn't make sense.
That is to say,there was already a multitude of effects to work with and that I think upgrades in areas like strings,brass & such,should be a higher priority,is all I'm saying.


I'm assuming you mean Radical Keys? Grated I love NSK as well but as far as I know Jamal's not making a Re of the new 3X version anytime soon (if at all).
Actually,I was referring to the Neo Soul Keys(by SamplerBanks); http://www.propellerheads.se/downloa...al%20&from=rss

However though,I misread the price as being in USD(24.95)...but it's in pounds and then I assumed it would be around $40 or so...but when I added it to my cart,it turned out to be $80...something doesn't seem right.In any event,the Radical Keys seem like a far better value(especially since the Neo Soul Keys is limited to only a suitcase emulation.


It also has violin sounds. Not sure what other sounds you would expect from a string refill though. Violin, Viola, Cello, and Double-bass pretty much cover all the orchestral string instruments (harp?). Or were you referring to not having orchestral horns or choirs? There is the vinatage horns refill from big fish audio but then gain its a bit more geared toward soul/jazz/funk.
The other "sound" I'd like to see in a string refill,is an ensemble preset,but then I suppose I could just do some layering.
As for brass...well..I was thinking more in terms of cinematic type sounds ...but still,it's a nice program.
As for choirs...the only decent sounding choir sounds I had found,was from Sonic Reality's bundle...but still,it's not quite as authentic sounding as it could be.
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Old 2013-01-10, 05:34
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Being an urban music maker I tend to use synths and authentic sample based sounds so I totally agree with what uniformedservices69 is saying, we definitely need more variety in terms of sample based refills regardless of whether reason has the orkester sound bank. I hope that a new sampler RE is made some time in the future and much more instruments are made in general really way to many effects REs if you ask me
 

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