Propellerhead Software

Go Back   Propellerhead Forum > General Forum (read only)

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 2013-05-06, 17:29
samrhee samrhee is offline
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 4
Processor question for R7

I'm building a computer exclusively for Reason 7. Can someone give me a performance breakdown between i5 and i7 processors AS IT PERTAINS TO R7?

I'm reading a lot of comparisons in the context of gaming and 3D rendering, but does R7 experience a significant performance boost?

I've spec'ed out 32gb of RAM and no bells or whistles that might bog the system down. The CPU is the last thing. I know i7 would be the "logical" choice, but I'd like to hear from you guys (and girls).
  #2  
Old 2013-05-06, 19:15
EnochLight's Avatar
EnochLight EnochLight is offline
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,920
Quote:
Originally Posted by samrhee View Post
I'm building a computer exclusively for Reason 7. Can someone give me a performance breakdown between i5 and i7 processors AS IT PERTAINS TO R7?

I'm reading a lot of comparisons in the context of gaming and 3D rendering, but does R7 experience a significant performance boost?

I've spec'ed out 32gb of RAM and no bells or whistles that might bog the system down. The CPU is the last thing. I know i7 would be the "logical" choice, but I'd like to hear from you guys (and girls).
i7 Hyperthreads and will perform much better (i5 does not Hyperthread). Reason uses Hyperthreading for everything with the exception of rendering audio. An i7 would be a logical choice for a machine where you want the best performance - as in a DAW - but you'll obviously pay for it. 32 GB of RAM sounds awesome (I'm jealous)!
__________________
  • "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of Reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
Windows 8 Pro 64-bit | Reason 7 | Asus Sabertooth Z77 | Intel i7 3770k Quad-Core @ 4.2 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | OCZ Vertex 4 SSD 256 GB | Balance | Nektar Panorama P-4
  #3  
Old 2013-05-07, 07:18
reemo's Avatar
reemo reemo is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnochLight View Post
i7 Hyperthreads and will perform much better (i5 does not Hyperthread). Reason uses Hyperthreading for everything with the exception of rendering audio. An i7 would be a logical choice for a machine where you want the best performance - as in a DAW - but you'll obviously pay for it. 32 GB of RAM sounds awesome (I'm jealous)!
I don't think reason uses HT. I have i7 and it only uses 3 physical cores.
  #4  
Old 2013-05-07, 09:23
phasys's Avatar
phasys phasys is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,890
Quote:
Originally Posted by reemo View Post
I don't think reason uses HT. I have i7 and it only uses 3 physical cores.
Irrelevant anyway, hyperthreading is just one of the many many features in modern processors, and it's overhyped and dubbed as some sort of magical effect that provides huge speed increases. That is not the case. The P4 prescott also had hyperthreading and we all know how THAT turned out.

But hey, if you stick in 32 Gb of RAM, you might as well get the most expensive CPU, right? Myself, I'm using an i5 for about 2 years now and it hasn't bogged down once.
__________________
"Having unlimited choices can paralyze you creatively." - David Byrne

"Some questions simply do not deserve an answer." - Richard Dawkins

https://soundcloud.com/dutch-bastard

omfg one million megahurz CPU
  #5  
Old 2013-05-07, 09:43
devilfish's Avatar
devilfish devilfish is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,076
if you want to really have much power, you build something like this:

2x Socket 2011 for 2x Xeon 6-core-cpus
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z9PED8_WS/



or for a very extreme way this one
4x Socket 2011

  #6  
Old 2013-05-07, 12:40
EnochLight's Avatar
EnochLight EnochLight is offline
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,920
Quote:
Originally Posted by reemo View Post
I don't think reason uses HT. I have i7 and it only uses 3 physical cores.
Incorrect. Reason uses Hyperthreading for everything aside from audio rendering. Examples of things that utilize it are high-quality stretch, disc i/o, and GUI drawing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by phasys View Post
Irrelevant anyway, hyperthreading is just one of the many many features in modern processors, and it's overhyped and dubbed as some sort of magical effect that provides huge speed increases. That is not the case. The P4 prescott also had hyperthreading and we all know how THAT turned out..
Incorrect as well. An easy experiment on an i7 is to turn Hyperthreading off in your BIOS and create senerio where the above processes are utilized. You'll notice a measurable change in performance (I do). You're comparing Hyperthreading on a single-core P4 - that's not even supported in Reason.

If an application is coded to actually take advantage of Hyperthreading properly on modern multi-core CPU's, you can bet your sweet breeches that it helps.
__________________
  • "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of Reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
Windows 8 Pro 64-bit | Reason 7 | Asus Sabertooth Z77 | Intel i7 3770k Quad-Core @ 4.2 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | OCZ Vertex 4 SSD 256 GB | Balance | Nektar Panorama P-4

Last edited by EnochLight; 2013-05-07 at 12:43. Reason: :)
  #7  
Old 2013-05-07, 12:48
phasys's Avatar
phasys phasys is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,890
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnochLight View Post
Incorrect as well. An easy experiment on an i7 is to turn Hyperthreading off in your BIOS and create senerio where the above processes are utilized. You'll notice a measurable change in performance (I do). You're comparing Hyperthreading on a single-core P4 - that's not even supported in Reason.
Hyperthreading is hyperthreading. A megaherz on one CPU is also a megaherz on the other CPU. Doesn't matter if it's multiple cores or not. Hyperthreading doesn't happen along multiple cores. It happens ON ONE CORE.

But if you're so adamant about it, why don't you supply some proof? Show us some screenshots of the scenario's that you are referring to, such as task manager load with hyperthreading disabled and enabled.

Also, shutting off a function in a CPU with that function cannot be compared to another type of CPU which completely lacks that function. Think about that for a while.
__________________
"Having unlimited choices can paralyze you creatively." - David Byrne

"Some questions simply do not deserve an answer." - Richard Dawkins

https://soundcloud.com/dutch-bastard

omfg one million megahurz CPU
  #8  
Old 2013-05-07, 14:02
jzquantum's Avatar
jzquantum jzquantum is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 364
Quote:
Originally Posted by phasys View Post
Irrelevant anyway, hyperthreading is just one of the many many features in modern processors, and it's overhyped and dubbed as some sort of magical effect that provides huge speed increases. That is not the case. The P4 prescott also had hyperthreading and we all know how THAT turned out.

But hey, if you stick in 32 Gb of RAM, you might as well get the most expensive CPU, right? Myself, I'm using an i5 for about 2 years now and it hasn't bogged down once.
I agree. Go all out if you have premium hardware like that.

Like you, I also have an i5, an i5-3570k. With Reason7 I have noticed a big increase in CPU usage upon doing simple things like opening the software with the base song template. Goes up to like 75%. Never had that with Reason 6.5.3. Any one else see this? I mention because the OP may want to consider a real world user experience before he puts the cash down. I don't mean to Bogart his thread.
  #9  
Old 2013-05-07, 15:01
EnochLight's Avatar
EnochLight EnochLight is offline
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,920
Quote:
Originally Posted by phasys View Post
we can just agree to disagree.
Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by u88gbp View Post
I don't mean to Bogart his thread.
LOL! Best. Phrase. Ever.
__________________
  • "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of Reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
Windows 8 Pro 64-bit | Reason 7 | Asus Sabertooth Z77 | Intel i7 3770k Quad-Core @ 4.2 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | OCZ Vertex 4 SSD 256 GB | Balance | Nektar Panorama P-4
  #10  
Old 2013-05-06, 19:18
ETalk's Avatar
ETalk ETalk is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 666
Hi,

Your best bet is to go for:

3770K i7 or 2700K i5.

A lot of us here are using the 3770K and it handles Reason perfectly. It's also worth remembering that having a good Audio friendly Motherboard is essential too. The Asus Z77 range are all excellent and worth every penny. At the end of the day, your quality and performance are as good as your worst bit of gear...

My build is: Asus Z77 MB, i7 3770K, 16GB Ram, AMD HD 7700 Graphics card (0dB) and W7 Professional x64. All the components I'm using are 0dB or as good as, thanks to the environment I work in (home studio). The 3rd Gen processors can be easily over clocked in the BIOS if that's your thing.

Hope this helps and feel free to ask more questions if you need too.

Keep us updated on what you do

Matt
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:17.