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Old 2003-02-06, 08:40
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Matrix and how it loves to make things up

Ok, this is really irritating. I love Reason, it's constantly allowing me to grow as an electronic musician. What is holding me back, or rather, making me take extra steps to ensure quality, is Matrix. Let's say I have a piano sequence. I don't just use the Matrix for this purpose. I start with the Matrix, come up with a pattern, and then dump it to the NN-19 sequencer track relating to piano and then I bump it up or down an octave in the sequencer. This creates a richer sound, of course. I think this can be agreed upon. But when you play it back, at least when I do, sometimes the Matrix actually hits an off note as it's going from one bank selection to the next. Do you know what I'm talking about? It's at A1, then it goes to A2, then A3, then A4. Pretty much your standard 4/4 signature setup for certain pieces. When it gets to A4, in this case, why is it that Matrix insists on hitting an off note not relating to anything I programmed?! As a result I have started giving up on the Matrix for playback. It plays fine on it's own but you apply it to a song and suddenly it goes squirly.

Is this simply something I have to deal with or is there something I may be doing wrong? Basically what I'm forced to do in the case of this one song, is use the Matrix to come up with the initial pattern, copy it to the sequencer, and then disable Matrix. That seems to work just fine. Sucks that I have to do that though.
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Old 2003-02-06, 19:36
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Re: Matrix and how it loves to make things up

Weird. Maybe you could mail the song to some other people (or the props) and see if it happens for them too?

I rarely use Matrix for anything, so don't send it to me.

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Old 2003-02-06, 22:42
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Re: Matrix and how it loves to make things up

i hear you man
when i playback 32 step patterns on the matrix sometimes it go up to 16 and than start over, totally screws up the song!
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Old 2003-02-07, 05:08
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arothman - Catch 22 is a great composition; nice! (n/t)


:Weird. Maybe you could mail the song to some other people (or the props) and see if it happens for them too?
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:I rarely use Matrix for anything, so don't send it to me.
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Old 2003-02-06, 23:15
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Re: Matrix and how it loves to make things up

:Ok, this is really irritating.

Hmmm. Are you driving the pattern changes via the "pattern lane" in the sequencer? I've seen funny things like this when the pattern changes were entered in the sequencer manually without "snap to grid" on so that the pattern switches don't happen precisely on a measure boundary.

Unfortunately the quantize function doesn't seem to work with pattern lane events as far as I can tell.

You might want to try re-entering the pattern changes manually with snap-to-grid on and set to "bar" or the largest value that the pattern length is an even multiple of. This should guarantee that the changes happen exactly where they're supposed to.

Don't know if this will solve your problem or not though.

F.
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Old 2003-02-07, 00:15
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Re: Matrix and how it loves to make things up

::Ok, this is really irritating.
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:Hmmm. Are you driving the pattern changes via the "pattern lane" in the sequencer? I've seen funny things like this when the pattern changes were entered in the sequencer manually without "snap to grid" on so that the pattern switches don't happen precisely on a measure boundary.
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:Unfortunately the quantize function doesn't seem to work with pattern lane events as far as I can tell.
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:You might want to try re-entering the pattern changes manually with snap-to-grid on and set to "bar" or the largest value that the pattern length is an even multiple of. This should guarantee that the changes happen exactly where they're supposed to.
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on't know if this will solve your problem or not though.
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:F.

Yeah actually I always draw in the patterns by hand, ensuring that one bar is exactly one bar and not one and 1/32nd, which I also initially thought may be causing it. It seems to happen mostly when there is also a pattern set in the keyboard lane, in this instance, with the NN-19 using grand piano. I thought maybe it was sort of a pattern conflict, but the worst part is it never did this when I first had the song mostly done. It only started later on, after the file had been saved several times.
 

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