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Old 2003-03-12, 19:53
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Im sorry...come again?!?!

Hey,

Ok im new to this scene.. which makes it probable that what I'm about to ask is a REALLY dumb question but hey..

So far, to my understanding, the only way you can get nice new samples of instruments is by either adding refills or by sampling the instrument yourself. But is there a way of adding other samples used in different software such as Culture by Yellow Tools. This is a rompler with stacks of sample banks... but can you just point say the nn xt or nn19 to the folder where all these other samples sit and it'll use em like they were refills?

Also whats a VST?? It says this culture thing is VST 2.0 compatible... can Reason use VST's??

I understand Propellerhead are about to release a reload utility to allow reason to access a massive sound library from Akai programs... but are these VST's as well??

Yours some what confuddled...

Chris
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Old 2003-03-12, 19:57
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Re: Im sorry...come again?!?!

1) Samples can come from all over the place. Yes, they are available in Refills, and yes you can make them yourself. You can also purchase disks of them at stores. And there are sites like Hammersound etc. where you can download free ones. The modules in Reason open several different formats, and once the Reload utility is released, there will be even more (such as Akai).

2) VST is a format designed by Steinberg (makers of Cubase). VSTs are plugin modules that work in Cubase and other applications to provide effects and soft-synths. Reason does not use VSTs because it sort of 'is one'... Reason is already self-contained soft-synth application and does not provide the ability to load third-party modules in for stability and compatibility reasons.

Hope that helps!


Drew
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Old 2003-03-12, 20:11
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Re: Im sorry...come again?!?!

:Yeah thats really helpful...

So could I like by a box of samples, regardless of who manufactures them etc and use them in reason.. they dont specifically have to be refills?

If thats the case, whats the difference between going to a store and buying a set of strings samples, or buying the strings refill?

Sorry to be a pain!!

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Old 2003-03-12, 20:21
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Re: Im sorry...come again?!?!

1. No, they don't...

You can use any wav-aiff file + other sample formats...

2. The difference is that the samples in a ReFill is contained within one file. The ReFill-file...
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Old 2003-03-12, 20:38
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Re: Im sorry...come again?!?!


:So could I like by a box of samples, regardless of who manufactures them etc and use them in reason.. they dont specifically have to be refills?

Well, yes and no. You can't use just *any* sample format... Reason can deal with .wav/.aif, ReFills, ReCycle files, and SoundFonts. The Reload utility will let us bring in Akai format as well...

:If thats the case, whats the difference between going to a store and buying a set of strings samples, or buying the strings refill?

Frankly, Refills are less convenient than other sample formats because you can't navigate them easily and you can't just pull the sounds you want from them and then delete the rest. If you want 2 sounds from ReFill 'X', you have to have the entire ReFill on the computer.

Drew
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Old 2003-03-12, 23:19
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Re: Im sorry...come again?!?!

: Frankly, Refills are less convenient than other sample formats because you can't navigate them easily and you can't just pull the sounds you want from them and then delete the rest. If you want 2 sounds from ReFill 'X', you have to have the entire ReFill on the computer.

There are indeed some disadvantages to the format, but whenever people ask Props to reconsider the concept, I'm thinking - er, shouldn't this be directed to the sample CD makers? I mean, nobody *forces* them to comply with the ReFill format, they're perfectly free to stop right before they drop everything on the ReFill Packer and instead release the wavs/REXes/patches in source format. They choose not to because 1) ReFill adresses many of their copyright concerns, 2) it offers non-lossy compression which allows them to squeeze more stuff onto a CD (an opportunity which, unfortunately, few ReFill makers take), and 3) the mere mention of "Reason" and/or "ReFill" on the sleeve is a ticket to good sales because the user base is huge, solid and hungry.

Let *them* know what you think, they can do something about it. the Props already know what you think, and can't do anything about it.

/Fred
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Old 2003-03-12, 23:35
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Re: Im sorry...come again?!?!


:Let *them* know what you think, they can do something about it. the Props already know what you think, and can't do anything about it.
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They can...

1) Develop better tools for browsing and sorting ReFill content. If I'm being forced to have a 50 MB file on my machine just for a single drum sound, at least make it easier for me to find that file.

2) Develop a method for 'password protected' ReFills, so that I can use the convenience of the ReFill format, and then purchase the right to break it open from the developer. i.e. I get the free "Super Synths ReFill" from you, and then if I only want to use one patch, I can pay you for the password that lets me extract it.

You said that the mere mention of "Reason" and/or "ReFill" on the sleeve is a ticket to good sales because the user base is huge, solid and hungry. I agree. So what use is complaining to the ReFill developers about the format they choose to release their samples in? Why should they choose effective useage over sales margins? That's sort of like whining to Sonic Foundry about there being no Acid for Macintosh... why should they develop their product in the format I want it in when I could 'just go buy a PC'?

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