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Old 2004-02-01, 08:24
JohnVulich JohnVulich is offline
 
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Zero-X (BeatCreator) News item about REX2 format

REX2

There has been alot of rumours about REX2 now being an open file format, open source etc.

None of this is true!

The fact is that Propellerhead Software have made it possible for any company to apply for a REX2 Import license. We have done so and received the sdk.

It is not source code explaining the rex2 file format though, it's simply a dll (a program) that we/BeatCreator/etc can use/call to import rex2 files. There is no information about how to export to rex2 and according to Propellerhead's web site they do not plan to release any such information either (unfortunately!).

However, we do plan to add rex2 import to BeatCreator, BeatCreator Pro, TrackCreator and BeatSlicer. But as we believe it's rex2 export that you long for, we don't currently put rex2 import at the top of our priority list. Still, if you feel that rex2 import is what's missing in BeatCreator, why not send us a mail and we might change our priorities (note we have so many new cool features on the list and so little time).
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Old 2004-02-01, 19:46
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Pfffhhhttt....


What a bunch of idiots (Zero-X); the Props never said that they were opening the source code so other software manufacturers could export to rex2; that would make ReCycle 2.1 obsolete!

Zero-X is obviously trying to get political about this whole thing; of course people would love to be able to export to rex2 in their software, but not being able to shoudn't eliminate the ability to import rex2 - it's a simple .dll addition - not like it's hard.

I think in the Prop's original press release it stated - verbatim - that "they have opened the acclaimed REX2 sample data format to allow file playback by any third-party applications" - not export, but *playback*.

Zero-X needs to learn how to read before coding their new apps. ;-)

Cheers,

EnochLight
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Old 2004-02-02, 01:03
JohnVulich JohnVulich is offline
 
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Re: Pfffhhhttt....

Yeah, It seems like the Props were pretty straight forward about their intent. I'm not quite sure why Zero-X is making such a fuss about it. Perhaps a lot of their users, that haven't paid attention to the details of the situation, are bugging them with e-mails asking about adding REX2 export to BeatCreator.
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Old 2004-02-02, 01:36
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Re: Pfffhhhttt....


Indeed; that's a likely scenario.

Cheers,

EnochLight
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Old 2004-02-02, 22:29
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Re: Pfffhhhttt....

Indeed; that's a likely scenario.
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:Cheers,
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:EnochLight

That is not only a likely but the true scenario. After receiving tons of emails from people claiming that the rex2 format is now open source, an open file format etc etc we could not see anything wrong with stating (on our own web) that there were incorrect rumours about rex2 being an open file format or an open source file format. Because there obviously were such incorrect rumours floating around. All we did was to correct the rumours and informing the visitors about the facts.

No, we are not getting political. Where on earth did you guys get that from?
Sure, we (and thousands of our users) would like to see the days when the rex2 file format is a true open file format, but I see nothing wrong in wanting that!?


/Peter
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Old 2004-02-02, 23:35
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Re: Pfffhhhttt....


Fair enough Peter, and my apologies for making reference to your organization as "idiots"; it was a snap statement made out of irrational thought.

I guess I was just surprised to see it written as a public announcement in that manner since I was certain Zero-X would obtain the actual press release from Propellerheads. When first read (your company's statement), it made it sound as though Zero-X had been lied to or something. I'm sure it was just my misinterpretation of the wording.

At any rate, no worries - your software looks interesting. Again, I'm sorry if I was offensive; no harm meant.

Cheers,

EnochLight

:Indeed; that's a likely scenario.
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::Cheers,
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::EnochLight
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:That is not only a likely but the true scenario. After receiving tons of emails from people claiming that the rex2 format is now open source, an open file format etc etc we could not see anything wrong with stating (on our own web) that there were incorrect rumours about rex2 being an open file format or an open source file format. Because there obviously were such incorrect rumours floating around. All we did was to correct the rumours and informing the visitors about the facts.
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:No, we are not getting political. Where on earth did you guys get that from?
:Sure, we (and thousands of our users) would like to see the days when the rex2 file format is a true open file format, but I see nothing wrong in wanting that!?
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:/Peter
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Old 2004-02-03, 16:23
roland303 roland303 is offline
 
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What?...People, use your noggins

Do you honestly think that Propellerhead software would seriously make the REX2 format completely open source (in all respects..) when they are still supporting a product like Recycle? They may as well commit product suicide.

Quite why so many people are making a fuss over this and why your message has been posted all over the forums is beyond me. If people took the time to read the props statement about the change to the REX2 format policy they would see it is quite clear. They are not trying to deceive anyone..

This whole thing is ridiculous.
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Old 2004-02-03, 18:12
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Re: What?...People, use your noggins

Here are all the formats that Awave Studio can read and/or write...

Muon DS404 Bank File.
Muon DS404 Patch File.
Audio Interchange File Format.
Audio Interchange File Format.
Akai S5000/S6000 program file.
European telephony format audio.
European telephony format audio.
Monkey Audio losslessly compressed files.
AVM Sample Studio bank file.
Aureal ?Aspen? bank file.
Sun/NeXT/DEC Audio file.
DownLoadable Sounds level 1.
DownLoadable Sounds level 2.
DownLoadable Sounds level 2+.
FXpansion DR-008 drumkit.
DiamondWare Digitized file.
Ensoniq EPS file.
EMelody Ericsson mobile phone ring-tone format.
GUS PnP bank file format.
Casio FZ-1 Bank dump.
Casio FZ-1 Full dump.
Casio FZ-1 Voice dump.
Raw CCITT G.721 4-bit ADPCM format data.
Raw CCITT G.723 3 or 5-bit ADPCM format data.
Raw CCITT G.726 2, 3, 4 or 5-bit ADPCM format data.
GigaStudio/GigaSampler file ? Normal.
GigaStudio/GigaSampler file ? Compressed.
Raw GSM 6.10 audio stream.
Raw 'byte aligned' GSM 6.10 audio stream.
US Robotics voice modems GSM w.o. header / VoiceGuide / RapidComm.
US Robotics voice modems GSM w. header / QuickLink.
Interchange file format.
iMelody mobile phone ring-tone format.
Gravis UltraSound bank setup.
Sample Cell / II Mac instrument.
Sample Cell / II PC instrument.
Cakewalk Instrument definition file.
Impulse Tracker instrument.
Impulse Tracker sample.
Native Instruments drum Kit file.
Korg Triton KeyMaP file.
Korg Trinity KeyMaP file.
Kurzweil K2000/K2500/K2600 split file.
Kurzweil K2000 file (also works with K2000 and K2500).
Korg Triton SCript file.
Korg Trinity SCript file.
Korg Triton Sample File.
Korg Trinity Sample File.
Native Instruments Reaktor wavetable file ? Embedded waves.
Native Instruments Reaktor wavetable file ? Linked waves.
Matlab variables binary file.
Standard Midi File.
MPEG audio stream, layer II.
MPEG audio stream, layer III.
Miles Sound System DLS 1 + XMI file.
MadTracker 2 Instrument.
Musifile MPEG Layer II Audio stream.
MWave DSP synth?s instrument extract.
NIST Sphere audio.
Creative Nomad Voice file.
Vorbis Ogg stream.
Akai S1000/S1100/S01 program.
Akai S3000/S3200/S2000/S2800 program.
Ensoniq PARIS audio file.
Advanced Gravis Ultrasound / Forte tech. Patch.
Turtle Beach Pinnacle Bank File.
Korg Triton collection file.
Korg Trinity collection file.
AKAI MPC-2000 drum set file.
AKAI MPC-3000 drum set file.
WAVmaker program.
RealAudio file.
Raw signed PCM data (W as .SB).
RIFF-MIDI file, embedded DLS optional.
Rockwell 2,3,4-bit ADPCM audio.
Rockwell 2-bit ADPCM audio.
Rockwell 3-bit ADPCM audio.
Rockwell 4-bit ADPCM audio.
Akai S1000/S1100/S01 sample.
Akai S3000/S3200/S2000/S2800 sample.
Scream tracker v3 instrument.
Scream tracker v3 module.
Akai MESA II/PC S-series program.
Signed 8-bit Sample data (W as .SB).
Raw Signed Byte (8-bit) data.
Emu SoundFont v1.x Bank files / Creative Labs SB AWE 32.
Sample Cell / II PC instrument (W as .INS).
Sound Designer I audio.
Sound Designer II flattened file.
Sound Designer II data fork.
Raw MIDI Sample Dump Standard file.
Sony Playstation MIDI Sequence.
MTU / IRCAM SoundFile format.
Emu SoundFont v2.x file.
Avalon sample format.
Raw unsigned PCM data (W as .UB).
AKAI MPC-60/2000/2000XL/3000 sample.
SPPack sound sample.
Creamware STS-series sampler programs.
Raw Signed Word (16-bit) data.
Reason 2 NN-XT format.
Yamaha SY-series wave files (W as .W01).
Ascii Text formatted audio data.
RTTTL/Nokring mobile phone ring-tone format.
Steinberg LM-4 drum-kit.
Ascii Text parameter description.
Yamaha TX16W wave files (W as .W01).
Raw Unsigned Byte (8-bit) data.
US telephony format (CCITT G.711) audio.
US telephony format (CCITT G.711) audio.
Raw Unsigned Word (16-bit) data.
Covox 8-bit audio (W as .UB).
Sony Playstation/PS2 bank file.
Sony Playstation/PS2 compressed sound file.
Annotated speech file.
Creative labs sound file.
Creative labs ?older format? sound file.
Dialogic 4-bit ADPCM.
Dialogic 4-bit ADPCM, 6000 Hz.
Dialogic 4-bit ADPCM, 8000 Hz.
Virtual Sampler Bank file.
Yamaha TX16W wave.
Yamaha SY-series wave.
Sonic Foundry Wave-64 format.
GigaSampler/GigaStudio compressed wave file.
Ms Windows PCM wave.
Turtle Beach WaveFront Bank (Maui/Rio/Monterey).
Turtle Beach WaveFront Drum set (Maui/Rio/Monterey).
Turtle Beach WaveFront Program (Maui/Rio/Monterey).
Windows Media Audio 4.
Windows Media Audio 9 CBR.
Windows Media Audio 9 VBR.
Windows Media Audio 9 Voice.
Fast Tracker 2 instrument.
Miles Sound System Extended MIDI file.

Let me know how many of these companies went out of business because they allowed their formats to be edited by a 3rd party app.
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Old 2004-02-12, 23:27
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Re: What?...People, use your noggins

Product suicide? That's why they have a concept called licensing. I don't remember PCs going out when licensing came around...



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Old 2004-02-03, 22:39
polar1 polar1 is offline
 
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So where's the Mac version?

Until I can run BeatCreator on a Mac, where is the comparison with ReCycle? It may be a great product, but the Props have always supported the Mac and done it extremely well.
 

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