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Old 2004-02-23, 19:20
Jay
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Difference between Headphone and speakers

Hi,

I use Reason for some time now.., getting the hang of it and find it more and more fun to work with. I dont have a studio or anything, just some simple speakers, and an simple headphone, Nothing fancy!

But now i can hear quiet some differce in a song when i made it with Headphone and listen it trough my speakers.. Some instruments i cant even hear at all. So i could start using my speakers when making the music, but then i have the same , those songs sound incorrect on my headphone then.

Specially with basses, when i get a nice bass with my headphone, the bass is to high in volume on my speakers.

Anyone know of a headphone that is perfect for music making? Since i cant always burst my speakers to the max, driving my neighbours nuts. Or anyone know an other solution?

Thanks,
Jer0me

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Old 2004-02-23, 20:09
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers


There are no headphones which are perfect for music making. You should never balance a mix on any headphones. Speakers are the thing to use. Headphones don't have the bass response which speakers offer and also panning sound very different on headphones than on speakers. Your better of composing with your headphones and then balance the mix on speakers (preferably studio monitors which have a flat response). That way your mix will sound good on other speakers as well as headphones









Hi,
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:I use Reason for some time now.., getting the hang of it and find it more and more fun to work with. I dont have a studio or anything, just some simple speakers, and an simple headphone, Nothing fancy!
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:But now i can hear quiet some differce in a song when i made it with Headphone and listen it trough my speakers.. Some instruments i cant even hear at all. So i could start using my speakers when making the music, but then i have the same , those songs sound incorrect on my headphone then.
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:Specially with basses, when i get a nice bass with my headphone, the bass is to high in volume on my speakers.
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:Anyone know of a headphone that is perfect for music making? Since i cant always burst my speakers to the max, driving my neighbours nuts. Or anyone know an other solution?
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:Thanks,
:Jer0me
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Old 2004-02-23, 20:54
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers


There are no headphones which are perfect for music making. You should never balance a mix on any headphones. Speakers are the thing to use. Headphones don't have the bass response which speakers offer and also panning sound very different on headphones than on speakers. Your better of composing with your headphones and then balance the mix on speakers (preferably studio monitors which have a flat response). That way your mix will sound good on other speakers as well as headphones
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I would even go a step further then dave909 did: You mentioned that you need headphones because "I cant always burst my speakers to the max", right?

You will almost always get better results mixing when you mix at very low levels. It's easy to want to turn the level up a bit when you are mixing, but this will cause ear fatigue much quicker and the sound won't be as accurate as what you hear at very low level signals. To test this, try listening to a song that you can't understand the lyrics to. Now, turn it down. Chances are, you will hear more of the lyrics and they will be much clearer then at a loud volume.

Here's what I do: Whenever I feel the urge to turn up the volume a little, I turn it down instead. Just a touch. Of course you can't have it too low, or you won't hear anything. Try it. I think you will be pleasantly suprised.
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Old 2004-02-23, 23:58
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers

Jerome,

Dave's suggestion is a pretty good one. I use headphones, speakers, computer speakers, etc. all the time, but listen to my stuff on ALL of them before "finalizing" a mix. I don't necessarily think there is a magical method to it all, but find that if you listen to enough different setups, you eventually find something that you can be happy with for your final mix.

Good luck!

Robb
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Old 2004-02-24, 00:16
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers

Headphone mixing isn't recommended, maybe for referencng how your mastering went. Like said above, a pair of decent monitor speakers will help give a better impression of the sound.

You do get studio headphones, however most of these carry a higher impedance and may need a suitable headphone/mic amp.

Listen to your mix at a normal level and then turn it up now and again, to reflect on what it sounds like - such as is too bassy (muddy) or is there is too much treble of high-end hiss.

I normally render around about -6dB so can use a mastering app to boost and cut frequencies which I feel are neccesary.
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Old 2004-02-24, 11:16
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers

Thanks for all the replies.

I'm gonne try mixing on my speakers and try the volume trick. Hope this works for me, kinda always have the urge to increase the volume when i hear good music

Maybe buy me some better speakers when i get the hang of it.

Thanks again,
Jer0me.
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Old 2004-02-24, 16:27
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers

Another question..

How important is the amplifyer with a set of speakers? Do i need a good amplifyer aswell? or is a good set of speakers enough?

Thanks,
Jer0me.

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Old 2004-02-27, 22:25
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers

Headphones are great for keeping the missus happy, but get yourself a pair of Yamaha MSP5's for monitoring when shes out. If you want your tunes to be portable across different rages of stereos, then a decent set of monitors is invaluable. Try to listen as much as you can on the monitors, cause your only spend ages correcting the tones, bass etc. when listen on monitors after using headphones. Ive got a great set of seinheisers and it still sounds pap when I switch to monitors.
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Old 2004-03-02, 07:51
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Re: Difference between Headphone and speakers

"Ive got a great set of seinheisers and it still sounds pap when I switch to monitors."


Same situation here, I sometimes like to write a tune if i've just got back from a club at about 3am. Seinheisers are the only way that time of morning but OMFG when I put it through the monitors later!!!! You CAN'T mix on headphones it's mission impossible AND YOU KNOW THIS - MAN!
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Old 2004-03-02, 15:34
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I just bought some ADAM S3A Monitors

I've been needing good monitors, so I put my money where my mouth is and just unloaded $5,000 on some good ADAM S3A monitors. http://www.adam-audio.com

I'm gonna check to see how different high end headphones behave in mixing relative to high end nearfield/midfield monitors.

I've been a little worried that headphones my slowly hurt my hearing. I think waaaay too many heavy metal concerts in the '80s did more harm than good.

Anyway, I'll know in about 10 - 15 days.
 

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