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View Poll Results: Do you want compressed audio import/export on Reason?
I wan't MP3 export 16 33.33%
I wan't MP3 import 3 6.25%
I wan't FLAC export 2 4.17%
I wan't FLAC import 0 0%
I wan't the Full Monty: all the above, and more 16 33.33%
No! Compression defiles Reason 11 22.92%
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Old 2012-10-23, 08:54
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FLAC codec.at Cubase 6.5. could you record or export your sound. and don´t forget it´s a lossless codec and mp3 is not lossless.
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Old 2012-10-23, 11:51
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MP3, AFAIK, is a copy written codec. Fraunhoffer I think.
I know with certain DAWs in the past, MP3 options were purchased agreements with an entire EULA to themselves.
Specific code implementations of MP3 codecs are individually, and differently, copy-written. Lame is open source, and the copyright license is very "compatible" with Reason. Fraunhoffer have another implementation of MP3 codecs (the original, reference, one). That one is paid.
There might be a patent on some countries, that's a polemic issue, and that's the only thing I see that could cause some constraints.

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MP3 is a lossy/messy codec anyhow, but I know the convenience of the high compression rate, nearly universal adoption, and the smaller file size is a convenience a lot of people want. I'd vote for inclusion if it were up to me.
Right! Being lossy or not is not the issue, much less the supposed lesser sound quality.
NN-19, NN-XT, Dr.OctoRex, ReDrum, all have switchable High Quality interpolation. HQ interpolation gives less sound quality but people aren't demanding the feature to be removed, right? Who likes it or needs it, use it. Others don't.
Same thing applies to MP3. It's not that WAV support would be removed, so who doesn't like it, just ignore it.

Why MP3 and not another codec? because it has become the de-facto standard. (yes, input too would be quite helpful). Have nothing against some other codec as FLAC (advantage of being lossless), but more than that might be overkill.

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??? Don't you have dB Poweramp Music Converter ???
No, I don't. I don't like it (much prefer WinLame) and Mac people would complain what about us.
327 different people may post 593 suggestions of different software converters, all doing the same thing, all different, fitting all tastes, but that's not the point. There is always an alternative (what's is made on Reason could be made a collage of different softwares too), but it's handy to have this feature integrated on Reason.
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Old 2012-10-23, 15:14
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Right! Being lossy or not is not the issue, much less the supposed lesser sound quality.
NN-19, NN-XT, Dr.OctoRex, ReDrum, all have switchable High Quality interpolation. HQ interpolation gives less sound quality but people aren't demanding the feature to be removed, right? Who likes it or needs it, use it. Others don't.
Same thing applies to MP3. It's not that WAV support would be removed, so who doesn't like it, just ignore it.

Why MP3 and not another codec? because it has become the de-facto standard. (yes, input too would be quite helpful). Have nothing against some other codec as FLAC (advantage of being lossless), but more than that might be overkill.
Good point.
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Old 2012-10-23, 17:55
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You couldn't be arsed to see that I originally provided that same link? That's an idea, posting links without reading the content...
That's pretty funny.
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Old 2012-10-24, 15:08
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Sorry guys, I missed the multiple-choice option checkbox when creating the poll.

Seems I can't edit it or delete it

EDIT:
Jiggery-Pokery has already done a nice job of compiling wishes for new features.
https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/...69&postcount=2

MP3 import/export ranked #13.

So this poll was only really useful for fans of FLAC, or to give expression to who thinks MP3 features on Reason ruin musical creativity - enjoy!

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Old 2012-10-24, 15:12
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Sure no, only wave & aiff!
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Old 2012-10-25, 00:43
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There were (are?) patent issues with mp3s, so to actually have Reason handle them internally might require licensing fees for every copy, and I honestly don't think it's worth it to pay for that when we have a million easy ways to convert audio files.

It might be alright though to allow export to external compressors like LAME or FLAC, but to make it very easy to use they'd have to code specific interfaces for each program, and again, it's probably not really worth it.

Do people really want to export their songs from Reason *only* in a format using lossy compression? If not, why not just export uncompressed as it is and use a simple conversion program? There are some that are so simple they just sit there and wait for you to drag a file onto them, then they quickly convert it to the format you've already set and it's done.

I wouldn't recommend mp3 import of any kind though. You can convert and import if you want, but if someone gives you an mp3 and wants you to use it to *start* working on a track, even if you have to tell them 200 times it's not acceptable you should do it until they give you a reasonable version.

I guess that's another possible downside to mp3 output directly from Reason. It might encourage people to just export mp3s and leave anyone further down the line who has to work with the song stuck trying to explain what an uncompressed 24 bit audio file is and why they need it instead of an mp3...
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Old 2012-10-25, 04:56
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Honestly, converting a wav to an mp3 or flac outside of Reason is such an easy, simple, fast operation that it baffles me why we sweat over this. I want it to tie my shoes for me as well.

Seriously though, better audio editing, warping/stretching, even melodyne like editing first please.
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Old 2012-10-25, 11:19
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Honestly, converting a wav to an mp3 or flac outside of Reason is such an easy, simple, fast operation that it baffles me why we sweat over this.
What baffles me is why people sweats for Reason not to have MP3 features... how much simpler can it be than ignoring the feature?

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There were (are?) patent issues with mp3s, so to actually have Reason handle them internally might require licensing fees for every copy, and I honestly don't think it's worth it to pay for that when we have a million easy ways to convert audio files.
I agree on that, the patent status seems unclear (as I stated from the beginning). Having to pay fees (which is not clear if it is a must or not, and seems would only had to be enforced on some countries) might make this feature be put aside by the Props.

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It might be alright though to allow export to external compressors like LAME or FLAC, but to make it very easy to use they'd have to code specific interfaces for each program, and again, it's probably not really worth it.
Yeah, I agree, it would be a messy solution.

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Do people really want to export their songs from Reason *only* in a format using lossy compression?
"*only*" ? What do you mean? no one is wanting to remove wav and aiff export

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I wouldn't recommend mp3 import of any kind though. You can convert and import if you want, but if someone gives you an mp3 and wants you to use it to *start* working on a track, even if you have to tell them 200 times it's not acceptable you should do it until they give you a reasonable version.
So, that's how you convince such people? "Hey, you have to give me a WAV because Reason does not import MP3!". Do they never reply that there are lots of software that can easily convert from MP3 to WAV? They might even tell you about drag-n-drop features... ;-)

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I guess that's another possible downside to mp3 output directly from Reason. It might encourage people to just export mp3s and leave anyone further down the line who has to work with the song stuck trying to explain what an uncompressed 24 bit audio file is and why they need it instead of an mp3...
Who is this huge crowd that stubbornly insists on sending MP3 files? I wouldn't deal with someone who dares to save music on such unacceptable formats... I think there should also be a world ban on MP3 converters because someone may unacceptably convert to MP3 a perfectly acceptable WAV...

That's a kind of censorship, removing others freedom. Acceptability depends on the point of view... Speeking about freedom, the poll (although badly born) speaks for itself.

When CDs came out I thought the format kind of "unacceptable": terrible sound-quality (quantization, jitter, aliasing,...), vinyls were so much warmer; I also loved much better the big covers of vinyl, the tiny CD cases lost most of the art; handling the vinyl was also a more tactile experience, a kind of ritual.

Yet, never crossed my mind that the new format should be banned.
Bothered me when I was forced to convert because records were no longer being edited on vinyl, but I dint't thought the solution would be a crusade against CDs. Nowadays, not only progress has taken care of making CD playing sound about as good as vinyl (equally-priced playing hardware), but also is starting a similar revolution: from CDs to MP3.

Are there sound quality issues? on some conditions, but they can be overcome, to the point of being non-audible.

Some of you guys out there think not? Always lower quality? You want to play the purist, zealot game? Fine, so let's drop CDs, cause they quantize to 16 bits and only sample at 44.1khz. Everyone who refuse MP3 handling on Reason should make right now the vow of never, ever, accepting to record on CD. Maybe compromise with an SA-CD... (16-bit 44.1khz wavs are also forbidden of course, and to "encourage" higher standards, Props should only allow recording on 24-bit 96kHz... maybe not enough, let's make it 192kHz)

But hey, even so, you will gain purgatory. To gain heaven you must have never recorded on anything else than vinyl (tape recorders allowed, if the tape is wide enough and the brand is vintage-trendy). Hey! There's an heretic digital-to-analog converter over there. Let's get rid of it, use only analog stuff... ooops, there goes Reason...

I've seen those "purist" trends many times. I've been there, done that, grown wiser.
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Old 2013-02-02, 00:40
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Really listening mp3 is rubbish, and actually defiles a Reason, but yet I vote for the full Monty, since mp3 is a sad reality, and we have to live with it for sharing files and upload them to itunes for example.
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