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Old 2012-11-30, 10:45
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mhhh....

a question!

if you have a creamware pulsar dsp card or an digitalmixer with adat input..
and you route all the channels individualy out of reason to the single channels on the DSP mixer..

is that sound at the same valves on all the mixers (reason ssl/ mackie dm24/ pulsar dsp mixer)
the same?

did we have exactly the same sound??

i think the mixer from cubase sound different
the mixer from fruityloops also!

make a simple test and render a song in single wav files..
and play them in other daw's ...

there is a little difference ...
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Old 2012-11-30, 11:39
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specific plugins / time strech (or elastic audio) tools and pan law, here are the differences in summing, nothing more, nothing less.

but in every DAW (or digital domain) summing is similar to 1+1=2

marketing bullshits and esoteric subjective perceptions still can make you believe 1+1= 2.123 or 1.978, that's all.

most error in computing are localized between the screen and the chair.

maths are solid, human perceptions are just weak, subjective and also limited.

obviously this weakness, subjectivity and limitation are not issues for making music, but they are just useless when we talk about mathematical concept like daw summming.

in every topic where someone claim there is a sonic diffrence the only things we have are : emotional impressions, experimentation with wrong protocol, religious believing.

nothing scientifical to describe what is a pure mathematical thing.

so move on and make music peoples
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Old 2012-11-30, 11:46
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mhhh....

a question!

if you have a creamware pulsar dsp card or an digitalmixer with adat input..
and you route all the channels individualy out of reason to the single channels on the DSP mixer..

is that sound at the same valves on all the mixers (reason ssl/ mackie dm24/ pulsar dsp mixer)
the same?

did we have exactly the same sound??

i think the mixer from cubase sound different
the mixer from fruityloops also!

make a simple test and render a song in single wav files..
and play them in other daw's ...

there is a little difference ...

Ahhh Cubase, I use to have that, I actually did a test before, that was when it was still Cubase 4 and Reason 4(I don't know now). The only difference is volume. Cubase was louder(it was twicked that way, to fool people maybe?), but the result of that is you clip faster in Cubase. So that explains that, the only difference was volume. I compared Reason to Ableton, Reaper, Sonar, Pro Tools before also, they all sound the same without effects.
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Old 2012-11-30, 12:28
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Someone (probably Selig) ran a bunch of tests on this, running WAVs through various DAWs and the results were all exactly the same, so there's no difference in the summing.
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Old 2012-11-30, 13:12
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All digital systems in the end work with 0's and 1's. As someone said already, its not the sound engine, its the additions (effects, processors, instruments whatever) that shape the sound. I used to have issues with Reason never getting the sound as big as with CuBase, but that was because I used the default settings on the Sampler for example which in fact where filtered already. Also, the Reason synths are not especially bottom end heavy by default, you have to work with them to create that full deep sound. I find that Reason does have the capacity to sound huge and full but you always have to work a bit harder to get to that sound. I do like to use samples however for the real deep sounds as I still cannot get this with Reason alone
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Old 2012-11-30, 14:19
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Wink Phew!

That's pretty much what I thought.
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