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Old 2013-01-16, 09:12
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1. I would like to see the SSL console get a color scheme re-work....possibly make it look more like the real console. 2. Send faders as opposed to knobs. Re-model the channels/buss section cross talk, I say this because the Reason SSL sounds nothing like the real console or any of it's modeled competitors, in which there are a few that sound a lot more believable (and yes I have used the analog 9000 a few of times). If you are going to bring SSL to the table at least be competitive. 3. Bring the SSL EQ and Buss comp to the rack as independent devices. 4. I would like to see Reason more engineer friendly by that I mean more believable in sound to it's analog counterpart. 5. Re-visit the channel compressors.......they are I hate to say....horrible IMO. 6. Put a mono switch on the master channel. 7. The option to select different pan laws for better mono translation. 8. Have quality control for the RE Dept. and be more selective about what kind of junk you are allowing to be put in the RE shop. I say this because I have tried just about every thing in the RE shop and IMO 90% of the RE's are absolute crap, almost like anyone and everyone that has the capabilities to create RE's has license to hurry up and put out some cheap ass BS. Now before all the vultures get ahold of this and try to pull me apart...just know that while my words at times can seem harsh, I have been a long time reason user and fan, and ...well this is the future suggestion forum after all. Oh and please propeller heads let's step it up to the professional level. When Record and Reason 6 came out it was all ..WOW and AHH....
but a few months later you start to realize that...well this really isn't professional at all when it comes to mixing (absolutely for music making I won't contest that) but not all of us are music makers and I think someone out there ought to pay attention to that. I DONT want to use a different D.A.W.! adapt reason to fit everyones needs not just the music makers!!!!!!! Wheew ok I'm done now. Cheers!!!!!!!!!
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Old 2013-01-16, 12:08
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1. I would like to see the SSL console get a color scheme re-work....possibly make it look more like the real console. 2. Send faders as opposed to knobs. Re-model the channels/buss section cross talk, I say this because the Reason SSL sounds nothing like the real console or any of it's modeled competitors, in which there are a few that sound a lot more believable (and yes I have used the analog 9000 a few of times). If you are going to bring SSL to the table at least be competitive. 3. Bring the SSL EQ and Buss comp to the rack as independent devices. 4. I would like to see Reason more engineer friendly by that I mean more believable in sound to it's analog counterpart. 5. Re-visit the channel compressors.......they are I hate to say....horrible IMO. 6. Put a mono switch on the master channel. 7. The option to select different pan laws for better mono translation. 8. Have quality control for the RE Dept. and be more selective about what kind of junk you are allowing to be put in the RE shop. I say this because I have tried just about every thing in the RE shop and IMO 90% of the RE's are absolute crap, almost like anyone and everyone that has the capabilities to create RE's has license to hurry up and put out some cheap ass BS. Now before all the vultures get ahold of this and try to pull me apart...just know that while my words at times can seem harsh, I have been a long time reason user and fan, and ...well this is the future suggestion forum after all. Oh and please propeller heads let's step it up to the professional level. When Record and Reason 6 came out it was all ..WOW and AHH....
but a few months later you start to realize that...well this really isn't professional at all when it comes to mixing (absolutely for music making I won't contest that) but not all of us are music makers and I think someone out there ought to pay attention to that. I DONT want to use a different D.A.W.! adapt reason to fit everyones needs not just the music makers!!!!!!! Wheew ok I'm done now. Cheers!!!!!!!!!
Just a few points.
I've seen a 4000G Console and found it to look exactly like the Desk in Reason, except in Reason there's no grouping buttons. And by exactly I mean everything. The colours, Master compressor faders etc. (Ok not the pan knobs...)
Why would you want to have Send faders instead of knobs? can you mock up how exactly you envision it? I haven't seen Send faders on any console I've seen (not ever so many).
I don't wanna argue with you, since you are entitled to have whatever opinion you desire, but talking about being professional, do you think a brush can be professional, or the guy the who wields it? Can a Hammer be more professional, than the one using it? Should it maybe be hammering on its own? Will a professional brush paint a picture on it's own?
As far as I've learned it, professional means paying your bills. And I'd love Reason to do that!
I'm just riding on the word here, because it doesn't actually reflect what I believe you're wanting to express, and I agree: Reason could seriously use grouping, MIDI out, and what not.
But there's people out there making 'professional' stuff with Reason (and yes that includes mixing and mastering).
So I don't want to tear you apart or anything, nor am I a vulture, but seven exclamation marks do not look professional either (as a matter of fact, Terry Pratchett says if one makes more than five exclamation marks on is to be considered crazy).
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Old 2013-01-16, 13:02
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Just a few points.
I've seen a 4000G Console and found it to look exactly like the Desk in Reason, except in Reason there's no grouping buttons. And by exactly I mean everything. The colours, Master compressor faders etc. (Ok not the pan knobs...)
Why would you want to have Send faders instead of knobs? can you mock up how exactly you envision it? I haven't seen Send faders on any console I've seen (not ever so many).
I don't wanna argue with you, since you are entitled to have whatever opinion you desire, but talking about being professional, do you think a brush can be professional, or the guy the who wields it? Can a Hammer be more professional, than the one using it? Should it maybe be hammering on its own? Will a professional brush paint a picture on it's own?
As far as I've learned it, professional means paying your bills. And I'd love Reason to do that!
I'm just riding on the word here, because it doesn't actually reflect what I believe you're wanting to express, and I agree: Reason could seriously use grouping, MIDI out, and what not.
But there's people out there making 'professional' stuff with Reason (and yes that includes mixing and mastering).
So I don't want to tear you apart or anything, nor am I a vulture, but seven exclamation marks do not look professional either (as a matter of fact, Terry Pratchett says if one makes more than five exclamation marks on is to be considered crazy).
.........your entire response is unprofessional.

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Old 2013-01-16, 13:19
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.........your entire response is unprofessional.
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Old 2013-01-16, 21:55
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I'd have to agree OMOMs on the send faders. I have never seen a console with send faders. They're always knobs. Now while assigning fx to a fader is common practice on a console, it's always done via a patch bay (not automatically). Reason is no different. Just plug the output of your send fx in to a mix channel.
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Old 2013-01-17, 03:52
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1. I would like to see the SSL console get a color scheme re-work....possibly make it look more like the real console. 2. Send faders as opposed to knobs. Re-model the channels/buss section cross talk, I say this because the Reason SSL sounds nothing like the real console or any of it's modeled competitors, in which there are a few that sound a lot more believable (and yes I have used the analog 9000 a few of times). If you are going to bring SSL to the table at least be competitive. 3. Bring the SSL EQ and Buss comp to the rack as independent devices. 4. I would like to see Reason more engineer friendly by that I mean more believable in sound to it's analog counterpart. 5. Re-visit the channel compressors.......they are I hate to say....horrible IMO. 6. Put a mono switch on the master channel. 7. The option to select different pan laws for better mono translation. 8. Have quality control for the RE Dept. and be more selective about what kind of junk you are allowing to be put in the RE shop. I say this because I have tried just about every thing in the RE shop and IMO 90% of the RE's are absolute crap, almost like anyone and everyone that has the capabilities to create RE's has license to hurry up and put out some cheap ass BS. Now before all the vultures get ahold of this and try to pull me apart...just know that while my words at times can seem harsh, I have been a long time reason user and fan, and ...well this is the future suggestion forum after all. Oh and please propeller heads let's step it up to the professional level. When Record and Reason 6 came out it was all ..WOW and AHH....
but a few months later you start to realize that...well this really isn't professional at all when it comes to mixing (absolutely for music making I won't contest that) but not all of us are music makers and I think someone out there ought to pay attention to that. I DONT want to use a different D.A.W.! adapt reason to fit everyones needs not just the music makers!!!!!!! Wheew ok I'm done now. Cheers!!!!!!!!!
I have to say that I don't care for the channel compressors that much. The meters seem inaccurate and the meters have no markings.

Don't know how the sound compares to the original though but I have a Neve 88rs UAD plugin and I absolutely love it although it is a totally different console.

I don't like Reason's pan law as well. The UAD manual stated the SSL uses a -4.5 db pan law. I think REASONS mixer is 0 db and most other DAWS are -3db and many are configurable.

I don't mind the send knobs but I think our sends/returns should be infinite. I haven't needed more than 8 in a project but I get near that number often and hate getting near limits. 16 would be more Reasonable.

I do like the EQ and master compressor though.

I honestly think though the mixer would have been better if it was less "SSL like" and more "modern DAW" like. Reasons mixer can be a bit too big and unwieldy. Compare with something like REAPER or ABLETON which are more simple, streamlined, more send/returns and quicker in terms of doing groups and such.

I don't care that they lack EQs or compressors because that is what plug-ins are for.
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Old 2013-01-31, 21:41
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I'm no expert but

Hi,
just been reading the new Computer Music article on Analogue Warmth, really facinating reading. This guy Fabrice Gabriel talking about all the cross talk and noise we get in the process of analouge summing.
So my question is........if the Reason Mixer is modeled on a real SSL, then have they put all that stuff in? or does it just look like one?
If not, I suggest the Props snaffle Mr Gabriel from Slate Audio or do some sort of licenseing agreement and put a Real SSL Mixer option in the preferences.
I also use Orion Studio and I think Richard Hoffman has put a saturation option on the mixer, judging by how good his Rack Extensions are then maybe the Props should ask him to sort it out.
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Old 2013-01-31, 22:28
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The SSL in Reason is clean. Only the dynamics and EQ and filters are modelled. The channels themselves are completely clean and transparent.

Which is a good thing. And don't want my mixer colouring the sound in an nonsense effort to make it 'more engineer friendly'.
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Old 2013-02-01, 01:35
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Thanks for your quick response,
however I'm still having problems about this modeling thing.
In Reason.....unless you buy an appropriate Rack Extension, if it has been made yet, you do not have the option of adding a plug-in say like Mr Gabriels works.
Now I have had Reason since 2.5 and I love it, however when I purchased Record and then Reason 6.5 I was led to beleive that the Mixer was modeled on an SSL mixer......they never said just the EQ and filters,........I do not feel cheated but I was suggesting that it might be a nice feature to include in Reason 7 a full signal path mixer option......if that is possible....that's all.
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Old 2013-02-01, 01:51
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Wouldn't it be nice with a button that turnd on the ssl coloring for a channel. Right next to the phase button or something? That way you could choose for each channel if you wanted the SSL touch or a clean signal.
 

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