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Old 2013-02-16, 14:34
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I think most people who are asking for "mastering" are really looking for something else.

They are either looking to "Finalize" their mix with just a bit of spit and polish and have been led to believe that a mastering engineer or plugin will take their lifeless track and make it into a monster mash of Metallica's "Black" meets Infected Mushroom or whatever just hurt their eardrums. Which brings me to the second point...

Composition and engineering/mixing in the first place. Listen to that Metallica Black album and the kick is enormous but it is not the kick that makes it a good album. Listen to Giorgio Moroder and it is not actually any of the sounds that makes it groove. In both cases the sounds are well engineered but in actual fact it is the composition (incl lyrics) and playing that is the foundation of the funkiness.

Then and only then are the sounds massaged till they back the song. Everything has to come together in context of the song and its story; as a whole. That kick on Black is cool but on its own it would make a for a poor record (and in fact I think the constant "slam" of that record gets wearing so I find it hard to listen to it as a whole).

Learn to write a great track and then engineer and mix the sounds well, so they support your story (if your piece has no story then I question how good it really is, even that Bass In The Place London track has something resembling a story arc even though it is just a blam-fest).

Then Finalize your mix with a bit of limiting and maybe some EQ to subtly sweeten it and move on.

If, and only if, you happen to be making a record that is destined for the big time then get your distributor to send it all off to a pro Mastering house; Record Plant etc. Let them do it.

So again my message is that if you are asking about Mastering you are probably asking the wrong question.

thank you for the feedback =). I mean I don´t want to send my songs to somebody who´s gonna master it for me. If I make a song, >i< want to finish it. Even your kind of master "style" is like a signature. that makes it special =). But I guess: learning by doing.
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Old 2013-02-16, 14:36
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The questions you should be asking yourself is...

a. When to use compression
b. When to use limiting.
c. When to use EQ

FYI... parallel compression is not generally done in the mastering phase that is something that you do in the mix phase.
perfect. That´s exactly what I ask myself =)
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Old 2013-02-16, 14:39
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I think most people who are asking for "mastering" are really looking for something else.

They are either looking to "Finalize" their mix with just a bit of spit and polish and have been led to believe that a mastering engineer or plugin will take their lifeless track and make it into a monster mash of Metallica's "Black" meets Infected Mushroom or whatever just hurt their eardrums. Which brings me to the second point...

Composition and engineering/mixing in the first place. Listen to that Metallica Black album and the kick is enormous but it is not the kick that makes it a good album. Listen to Giorgio Moroder and it is not actually any of the sounds that makes it groove. In both cases the sounds are well engineered but in actual fact it is the composition (incl lyrics) and playing that is the foundation of the funkiness.

Then and only then are the sounds massaged till they back the song. Everything has to come together in context of the song and its story; as a whole. That kick on Black is cool but on its own it would make a for a poor record (and in fact I think the constant "slam" of that record gets wearing so I find it hard to listen to it as a whole).

Learn to write a great track and then engineer and mix the sounds well, so they support your story (if your piece has no story then I question how good it really is, even that Bass In The Place London track has something resembling a story arc even though it is just a blam-fest).

Then Finalize your mix with a bit of limiting and maybe some EQ to subtly sweeten it and move on.

If, and only if, you happen to be making a record that is destined for the big time then get your distributor to send it all off to a pro Mastering house; Record Plant etc. Let them do it.

So again my message is that if you are asking about Mastering you are probably asking the wrong question.

another short question. Does it make sense to put for example two limiters or even three under one instrument?
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Old 2013-02-16, 18:10
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just dont distort it out. add as lil effects as possible and keep it clear when you need it. distorting the parametes is what i hear alot from lots of home studio artist. just use your ear. its yoour biggest instrument. you gotta listen to it before you can dance to it . im no expert either all im saying is keeo it simple.
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Old 2013-02-16, 20:18
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another short question. Does it make sense to put for example two limiters or even three under one instrument?
I never use limiters in the mix stage or on a instrument track.
You can put them on instruments, but I think it might be hard on the dynamics in the long run, if all your instruments are being limited & then compressed.

I've read too many mixed opinions about using limiters on instruments in a mixdown.
I only ever use limiters now, in the my mastering chain.
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Old 2013-03-01, 00:44
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perfect. That´s exactly what I ask myself =)
Quick question... are you going to be mastering in Reason our in a DAW?
 

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