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Old 2005-02-02, 03:48
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Rebirth 3.0

Hi,
I just wanted to give my 2 cents on the future of Rebirth.
In an article I read, it was an interview with one of the owners of Propellerhead, he said that Rebirth is in hibernation, awaiting a possible future upgrade. You got to admit, Rebirth needs some upgrades to keep up with the fast pace of computer music software. Well, I hope that Props are working on or soon to be working on the next update to Rebirth. Here I'm going to list a few features I would like to see in Rebirth 3.0:

-New Synth engine
I'm not saying that Rebirth doesn't sound good, but when rebirth was created, the best pc was a Pentium 2 450mhz. Now with pc's at 3.5 ghz, I'm sure that can be taken advantage of. I believe that all the circuits of the TB-303 can be modeled to even greater accuracy!! And maybe the samples of the TR-808 and TR-909 could be taken to 32 bit 192k!

-Sequencer
A much needed sequencer! You have to admit, programming a song with Rebirth is not easy, and the real pain starts when you are finished with a song and you need to rearrange the song. The #1 reason why I don't use Rebirth in more of my songs than I do is the lack of this feature. Imagine: A separate window with a sequencer with three editing modes- 1 for the creation and editing of individual Patterns for each device. 2 for the arrangement of the patterns of each device over a timeline(you could paint the patterns on a track). 3 for the visual editing of Automation for each function on each device (like on reason). If rebirth had this feature..OH MY GOD!!!

-Modular Environment
Start with an empty rack, add 1 or 2 or 20 TB-303's, then add 4 909's, each with different pitch and decay settings. Then have different effects for each device and have the ability to rearrange the order of the effects. Of course, a modular environment would need a mixer, a mixer with inserts, sends and automation. The only limit to how big your Rebirth setup is, is your CPU.

-More Effects.
Different compressors, tubes, stereo imagers, delays, phasers flangers, EQs, amp models, cabinet models, mic models, choruses, reverbs. All could be used as sends or inserts in the modular setup.

I really don't think my suggestions are way out there and I think of these as necessities rather than "it would be nice if..." features. Rebirth would sell like crazy with these features. Plus all the features I mentioned here have already been done by props: in Reason.
But all in all I would just love to see Rebirth have a rebirth soon!
Jeff
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Old 2005-02-02, 16:00
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just out of curiosity...

Having never used ReBirth, I don't know much about it. My understanding though is that everything that used to be done in ReBirth can be done (and more) in Reason. What's the advantage in having a new ReBirth version instead of just migrating to Reason?
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Old 2005-02-03, 09:57
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Re: just out of curiosity...

Having never used ReBirth, I don't know much about it. My understanding though is that everything that used to be done in ReBirth can be done (and more) in Reason. What's the advantage in having a new ReBirth version instead of just migrating to Reason?

The answer to that is simple. Reason does not have a physical model of the Roland TB-303. In case you don't know what a physical model is, Ill explain it.
Rebirth is a virtual model of the Roland Tb-303, meaning that Rebirth is generating sound almost exactly as the real Tb-303 did only in a virtual world...ie. your CPU. Propellerhead created a virtual model of all the circuts of the 303 so that the signal would follow as close of a path as did the real thing.
So why is that better than sampling the Real 303 using world class mics at 32 bit 192K loaded into Reason? Another good question. Because you cannot tweek samples the way you could tweek the real 303. If you have a physical model that behaves the same as the orginal, then you can tweek it the same as the orginal.
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Old 2005-02-03, 20:05
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Re: just out of curiosity...


So Reason 3.5 could have a 303 and we could be done with all this.

I'm finding the possibility of getting a real 303 in the Reason rack unlikely, but I'm expecting to definitely see some killer 303 emulation patches for the Combinator.

Mike
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Old 2005-02-04, 04:31
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303 emulation

It's already possible to emulate a 303 in Reason. The combinator may make it easier to load up a patch with the effects already chained for you, but a subtractor, a scream, and a compressor can produce many flavours of 303 already.
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Old 2005-02-04, 04:36
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Re: Rebirth 3.0

I'd have to say that I agree with some of your ideas but not all of them. Rebirth was never really meant to be a "studio". The fact that it *can* sequence is mostly a nostalgic thing, so that you can program it like the old hardware used to be programmed.

Rebirth is really intended more as a plugin instrument, to compliment a real sequencer. So rather than add yet another sequencer into Rebirth, I'd rather see more focus on compatibility and sound quality.

I believe that Rebirth is only 16bit at the moment, and it would be nice for the studiophiles to get higher quality output from the synthesis engine. More effects couldn't hurt, but really, there are so many external effects these days that its not all that essential.

To me, Rebirth doesn't consistute a complete enough system for standalone song composition. I know people have done it, adn still do it, but to me, a TB303, 808, and 909 are raw feed which I can apply my own effects to and control with other sequencers.
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Old 2005-02-04, 05:01
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Re: Rebirth 3.0

But have you ever recorded your knob movement in Rebirth, and then you decided you didn't like it, so you went back tried to record over it. Its damn near impossible. The knob always trys to jump back to your last recording when you are not fpessing on your mouse button. P{lus automation starts at exact times rather then at the begining of measures, so if your old automation starts at 45:2:2:948 on your transport, you would never know it. Plus i never record my automation, its too much of a pain in the ass. I always draw in my automation...cant do that in rebirth

if I use cubase with Rebirth cubases sequenser is useless with rebirth

Roland tb-303 were a pain in ass to program. if someone gave me a 303 today, i'd sell it. the ease of computer music programs by far outweighs the benifits of a real synth
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Old 2005-02-08, 21:20
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Re: Rebirth 3.0


All i ever dream of is being able to automate and edit the way you can in Reason.
Wat if you could just Edit an Automated knob (decay, reso, etc...) have complete control over the automation.
A new window would help.. Or use the CTRL+click (like you do in Reason) and have full control over the automation.
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Old 2005-02-09, 23:55
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Re: Rebirth 3.0

:But have you ever recorded your knob movement in Rebirth, and then you decided you didn't like it, so you went back tried to record over it. Its damn near impossible. The knob always trys to jump back to your last recording when you are not fpessing on your mouse button. P{lus automation starts at exact times rather then at the begining of measures, so if your old automation starts at 45:2:2:948 on your transport, you would never know it. Plus i never record my automation, its too much of a pain in the ass. I always draw in my automation...cant do that in rebirth

Yeah I know, isn't it great!

I love (and a bit in awe of) Reason's power and flexibility, and I love Rebirth for its limitations. Rebirth to me seems to have more character.

:Roland tb-303 were a pain in ass to program. if someone gave me a 303 today, i'd sell it. the ease of computer music programs by far outweighs the benifits of a real synth

If somebody gave me a 303 I'd definitely keep it. Not that I'm going to perform in big clubs or anything. I just like the machine.

Wing
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Old 2005-02-14, 09:32
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Re: Rebirth 3.0

I agree on how frustrating rebirth programming is. That's why 3.0 should just rely on external sequencing and only keep the internal programming around for nostalgic/legacy purposes.

Other apps have the sequencing nailed down, so why not exploit what they do best, and exploit what rebirth does best, which is simulate a 303, 808, and 909.
 

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