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Old 2006-10-25, 16:45
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An Open Letter to Props: Reason is ALMOST the greatest tool


An Open Letter to Props: Reason is ALMOST the greatest tool in the world. Here's why:

I think the very cool video with Printz of BEP shows it all at the end. Wouldn't it have been awesome to fire up an AUDIO IN channel and record Will.I.Am's vocals? How many times has a song concept NOT HAPPENED or been LOST due to no audio in in Reason?

http://www.propellerheads.se/remote....=blackeyedpeas

Yes, I know, one could open up Logic, Cubase or whatever and capture that track. And then you get two song files, double the CPU usage and the ongoing semi-reliability of ReWire. It adds to tedium and cumbersomeness, which is something I thought Reason was supposed to eliminate (and does in terms of synths).

C'mon Props! I know you said you don't want Reason to be a DAW. But I have one question: WHY NOT?!?

Reason is, IMHO, THE BEST product out there for putting together tracks, building great synthesizer concepts and sounds, quickly throwing together track ideas and for making an excellent final product. It is all pro and yet very easy to use. Plus it's extremely CPU efficient.

Why then, is there such a resistance to putting an audio in capability in Reason? It's like building the world's best race car and then putting no steering wheel on it, saying "we're not about steering wheels".

The "it will use more CPU power than we'd like" argument doesn't hold water. Fer cryin' out loud, Opcode put multitrack audio capability in Studio Vision in 1991! This was on Macs that ran at around 50 MEGAhertz. Do you mean to tell me that G4's, G5's, Pentiums and Intel Core Duo's cannot handle that miniscule amount of headroom? I know in Cubase that Halion or an NNXT Rewired in takes up more CPU then 6 tracks of audio being played back!

I use Cubase for one reason alone, and that's to add audio tracks to Reason. I have a bunch of VSTi's from NI and others, which are awesome, but I hardly use them! Even though they sound incredible, I find them inconvenient, cumbersome, and quite frankly, I can get most any sound I want out of Reason ALONE.

Truly, I think Props is missing the point here along with an enourmous opportunity, and I hope they will listen to the obvious huge desire for Reason to be able to record audio. I believe Props could become the Roland of the music instrument industry with this step. Seriously!

I know a lot of musicians, and many would LOVE audio in not only for vocals, but harps, mandolins, shakuhachi's.. you name it!

Reason should be about the artists. The technology should not get in the way. Props has largely accomplished this, but not completely.

C'mon guys... Audio In please!

And that concludes my rant.
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Old 2006-10-25, 19:21
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Re: An Open Letter to Props: Reason is ALMOST the greatest tool

i ll drink to that my friend.im using reason rewired to cubase and its a pain in the backside.come on props audio in and record please.thats all i want for christmas.well next year lol.
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Old 2006-10-25, 20:10
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Old 2006-10-25, 20:23
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Re: An Open Letter to Props: Reason is ALMOST the greatest t

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: C'mon Props! I know you said you don't want Reason to be a DAW. But I have one question: WHY NOT?!?
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: Why then, is there such a resistance to putting an audio in



I think they are Steinbergs bitches and have some sort of deal where they won't step on their masters toes.


Or I propose my on-going theory that they are affraid of the other music software manufactures. The reason for this fear is that Reason would be so good with audio in (and midi out) that no one would buy anything else. So other companies have threated to literally kill them if they make Reason too good. They live in fear of their lives.


I do wish we could elect a new Propellerheads president. This glaring shortsightedness and stubborn refusal to GIVE EVERYONE (well except the fanboys and girls) WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR SCINCE REASON 1 is frustrating.


Still, Reason is an awesome synth/fx rack. But it's like a pretty girl that will let you kiss her, but won't put out. Great that it's so wonderfull at what it is, but if only she'd spread her legs, she would be SO MUCH better.

excuse the stupid analogies .
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Old 2006-10-25, 21:51
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Why is vocals so important then?

There have been vocals in millions of songs through the centuries and a few million more in modern time because people think a song isn't a song without vocals, guitars and percussion.

Boring.
Why sound like everybody else when you have the power and total freedom in synthesizers? What's the matter? No imagination?

If you have a Mac then it's easy to export the Reason song to a wav/aiff file and then import it to Garageband, and then record the song in GB. Easy.
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Old 2006-10-25, 22:58
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Re: An Open Letter to Props: Reason is ALMOST the greatest t

: I think they are Steinbergs bitches and have some sort of deal where they won't step on their masters toes.

Mmmkay. Steinberg also assassinated JFK and remote controlled the 9/11 planes with Nuendo...
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Old 2006-10-25, 23:41
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Re: An Open Letter to Props: Reason is ALMOST the greatest t

: : I think they are Steinbergs bitches and have some sort of deal where they won't step on their masters toes.
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: Mmmkay. Steinberg also assassinated JFK and remote controlled the 9/11 planes with Nuendo...

Oh it's even deeper than that. But I really can't say much about here. They are monito
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Old 2006-10-26, 08:04
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Re: Why is vocals so important then?

What I love about electronica is that alot of it has NO VOCALS. Sometimes it seems that everything has been said already. Yes there are times when vocals really make a track, and other times it's the same ol same ol.

Vocals become more like the sexy girlfriend you've been dating for awhile, and now she just won't shut up Blah, Blah, Blah. Nowdays I feel about vocals the way I feel about sex. They're best when you've got great fx's. Okay, I went out on a limb for entertainments sake. There are always exceptions. Vocals can really be awesome. It's just that personally, I love the challenge of composing instrumental tracks.
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Old 2006-10-26, 12:31
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Re: *YAWN* [n/t]

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Yawn to you too. I bet all the "No audio in reason" types will be the first to sing the praises of how pro reason is when audio in is added.

Godamn it, tons of hardware synths now have audio in and had idsk or streight to flash ram audio tracking (including some very cheap modles) so why not reason?
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Old 2006-10-26, 12:35
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Re: Why is vocals so important then?


I love both. If a song sounds great as an instrumental track then that's great, but if it could sound better with vocals then I see no problem with adding some vocals.

But yeah, I'm not a fan of the "ooh baby I love you so" school of lyrics.
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