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Old 2010-12-31, 12:43
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Stereo Imager question

hey guys/girls/aliens,

i`ve been checking out some mixes and it came to my attention, that this

http://soundcloud.com/alex-mind

producers sounds, apart from the beat, are more up front in the mix.

The first i thought was to mimic this effect with a stereo imager, perhaps i`m doing it wrong, but there are only 3 turn-knobs and i`m not getting the desired effect

I`m doing all my main lead/funk/whatever sounds (apart from the beat) with the dr.rex and when fooling around with the LFO panning from dr.rex i noticed that the sounds came in the same range as they are in alex-mind`s mix, but as the panning LFO makes the sound fluctuate from lef to right, it`s not exactly what i`m looking for, but does confirm that the solution may lie with something like the stereo imager, but again, i`m not getting my sounds in the frontline as im hoping for.

The stereo imager does seem to work, but only one particular sounds in my case.

I have attached my reason file, perhaps this makes it easier to help if you wish to do so

Thanks in advance.

*edit1: attaching a reason file doesnt seem to work, so i`m just using yousendit:

https://www.yousendit.com/download/R...eFVlaFEwTVE9PQ

* edit2: the only other thing that just came to mind is to make exact the same dr rexes and pan one to the right and the other to the left.

* edit3: hmm, that doesnt work, the moment i pan one channel to the left and the second to the right, the complete sound becomes mono again ><

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Old 2010-12-31, 16:15
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That's a cool beat.

Here's what I just did: duplicated the Sound Rhythm rex & filter, panned one hard left and one hard right in the mixer, added a delay to the one on the right and changed it to a 1ms delay, leaving the rest of it's settings alone.

Oh, also changed the settings on the bassynnth imager to bass -18, x-over 518hz, treble 63. Not sure how the interplay between multiple imagers works (there's one in the mastering combi) but it did make a little difference.

Is that closer to the sound you're looking for?
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Old 2010-12-31, 16:33
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That's a cool beat.

Here's what I just did: duplicated the Sound Rhythm rex & filter, panned one hard left and one hard right in the mixer, added a delay to the one on the right and changed it to a 1ms delay, leaving the rest of it's settings alone.

Oh, also changed the settings on the bassynnth imager to bass -18, x-over 518hz, treble 63. Not sure how the interplay between multiple imagers works (there's one in the mastering combi) but it did make a little difference.

Is that closer to the sound you're looking for?
Hey man, thanks that you took a look at it

And it`s quite spot on; at first i thought you wanted me to add it through the aux, which doesnt work, but directly linking the delay on the duplicated octo rex works like a charm
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Old 2010-12-31, 16:46
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Great! That was fun to pull apart and mess around with, to see how someone else puts things together.

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directly linking the delay on the duplicated octo rex
Exactly - forgot to mention that bit, whoops.
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Old 2010-12-31, 16:53
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Great! That was fun to pull apart and mess around with, to see how someone else puts things together.
Reason is imho a GREAT tool to do co-op music with. Making something new, all of a sudden you`re out of inspiration; wrap it up, self contain and send it to a friend. I`m also in some form of electronic industrial darkcore band, we all work with reason and this goes really well. After i get the hang of my new electro sound i`m always open for some co-op madness if this is your style (progressive/electro etc)


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Exactly - forgot to mention that bit, whoops.
No problem, sometimes my brain actually works! XD
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Old 2010-12-31, 17:14
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Reason is imho a GREAT tool to do co-op music with...
I`m also in some form of electronic industrial darkcore band, we all work with reason and this goes really well. After i get the hang of my new electro sound i`m always open for some co-op madness if this is your style (progressive/electro etc)
That's damned cool to have in a band situation
I'm always up for that sort of thing.
Now as for music styles: I have absolutely NO idea what's what. I don't know the difference between trance and house, let alone progressive rather than regular or anything with the word core attached to it unless it's hardcore (like Black Flag) - I swear I need a glossary, lol, because right now I lump it all into one big group entitled "electronic," with maybe 3 divisions: "fast," "slow," and "wtf was that?" Those are each sub-groups of "like" and "blah"
Always been a simple classic rock guy I guess. Totally get the difference between Emerson, Lake and Palmer, and Asia though.

I gotta go find myself an online dictionary now


Edit: OhmyGod...
Ambient
Ambient dub
Ambient house
Chillout
Dark ambient
Dronology
Illbient
Lowercase
New Age
Psybient
Sub Dub
Breakbeat/Breaks
Anthem breaks
Baltimore breaks
Big beat
Breakcore
Broken beat
Cut & paste
Florida breaks
Grime
Nu skool breaks
Progressive breaks
Raggacore
Disco
Euro disco
Italo disco
Spacesynth
Synthpop
Downtempo/IDM
Acid jazz
Balearic Beat
Bitpop
Chiptune
Minimal Electronica
Glitch
Nu jazz
Trip Hop (aka The Bristol Sound)
Turntablism
Electronic art music
Berlin School
Electroacoustic
Electro
Electro bass
Electroclash
Electropop
Eurodance
Indietronica
Miami bass
Hardcore
4-beat
Bouncy techno
Breakbeat hardcore
Digital hardcore
Freeform hardcore
Gabber
Gabber house
Happy hardcore
Hardcore techno
Makina
Nu style gabber
Rave music
Speedcore
Terrorcore
Trancecore
UK Hardcore
House
2Step
Acid house
Chicago house
Chicago hard house
Dark progressive house
Deep house
Eurodance
Electro house
French house
Freestyle house
Funky house
Garage
Ghetto house
Hi-NRG
UK Hard house
Hip house
Italo house
Kwaito
Minimal house/Microhouse
Pumpin' house
Progressive house
Tribal house
Tech house
Industrial
Aggrotech
Christian industrial
Coldwave
Dark electro
Darkwave
Electronic body music
Futurepop
Industrial techno
Martial music
Neofolk
Noise music
Power noise
Technoid
Jungle music/Drum and Bass
Clownstep
Darkcore
Darkstep
Drill n bass
Drumfunk
Hardstep
Jump-Up
Liquid funk
Neurofunk
Oldschool jungle
Ragga jungle
Techstep
Trancestep/Electrostep
Techno
Acid techno
Assymetric techno
Detroit techno
Electroclash
Freetekno
Ghettotech
Hard techno
Jtek
Minimal techno
New beat
Nortec
Rave music
Schranz
Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass
Wonky techno
Trance
Acid trance
Classic trance
Dream trance
Euro-Trance
Electro trance
Hard trance
Hardcore trance
Hardstyle
Jumpstyle
Nu-NRG
Progressive trance
Tech trance
Tribal trance
Vocal trance
Uplifting trance
Psychedelic trance
Goa trance
Dark psytrance
Melodic psytrance
Metallic psytrance
Nitzhonot
Progressive psytrance
Psytechno
South African psytrance
Suomisaundi
British psytrance
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Old 2010-12-31, 17:46
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That's damned cool to have in a band situation
I'm always up for that sort of thing.
Now as for music styles: I have absolutely NO idea what's what. I don't know the difference between trance and house, let alone progressive rather than regular or anything with the word core attached to it unless it's hardcore (like Black Flag) - I swear I need a glossary, lol, because right now I lump it all into one big group entitled "electronic," with maybe 3 divisions: "fast," "slow," and "wtf was that?" Those are each sub-groups of "like" and "blah"
Always been a simple classic rock guy I guess. Totally get the difference between Emerson, Lake and Palmer, and Asia though.
in most cases its a bit weird, like im under the impression trance can be house, but house can`t be trance. Still though, nowadays, more and more music is simply merging and sometimes its hard to tell whats what.

I call what i make Progressive Electro, because i like how that sounds

On the other hand, i`m not to familiar with all sorts of rock lingo, other than knowing (and liking) deathmetal, blackmetal, nu metal and some random emo stuff

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gotta go find myself an online dictionary now


Edit: OhmyGod...
Ambient
Ambient dub
Ambient house
Chillout
Dark ambient
Dronology
Illbient
Lowercase
New Age
Psybient
Sub Dub
Breakbeat/Breaks
Anthem breaks
Baltimore breaks
Big beat
Breakcore
Broken beat
Cut & paste
Florida breaks
Grime
Nu skool breaks
Progressive breaks
Raggacore
Disco
Euro disco
Italo disco
Spacesynth
Synthpop
Downtempo/IDM
Acid jazz
Balearic Beat
Bitpop
Chiptune
Minimal Electronica
Glitch
Nu jazz
Trip Hop (aka The Bristol Sound)
Turntablism
Electronic art music
Berlin School
Electroacoustic
Electro
Electro bass
Electroclash
Electropop
Eurodance
Indietronica
Miami bass
Hardcore
4-beat
Bouncy techno
Breakbeat hardcore
Digital hardcore
Freeform hardcore
Gabber
Gabber house
Happy hardcore
Hardcore techno
Makina
Nu style gabber
Rave music
Speedcore
Terrorcore
Trancecore
UK Hardcore
House
2Step
Acid house
Chicago house
Chicago hard house
Dark progressive house
Deep house
Eurodance
Electro house
French house
Freestyle house
Funky house
Garage
Ghetto house
Hi-NRG
UK Hard house
Hip house
Italo house
Kwaito
Minimal house/Microhouse
Pumpin' house
Progressive house
Tribal house
Tech house
Industrial
Aggrotech
Christian industrial
Coldwave
Dark electro
Darkwave
Electronic body music
Futurepop
Industrial techno
Martial music
Neofolk
Noise music
Power noise
Technoid
Jungle music/Drum and Bass
Clownstep
Darkcore
Darkstep
Drill n bass
Drumfunk
Hardstep
Jump-Up
Liquid funk
Neurofunk
Oldschool jungle
Ragga jungle
Techstep
Trancestep/Electrostep
Techno
Acid techno
Assymetric techno
Detroit techno
Electroclash
Freetekno
Ghettotech
Hard techno
Jtek
Minimal techno
New beat
Nortec
Rave music
Schranz
Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass
Wonky techno
Trance
Acid trance
Classic trance
Dream trance
Euro-Trance
Electro trance
Hard trance
Hardcore trance
Hardstyle
Jumpstyle
Nu-NRG
Progressive trance
Tech trance
Tribal trance
Vocal trance
Uplifting trance
Psychedelic trance
Goa trance
Dark psytrance
Melodic psytrance
Metallic psytrance
Nitzhonot
Progressive psytrance
Psytechno
South African psytrance
Suomisaundi
British psytrance
lol XD

yeah, i dont know everything by name either, but i get along fine i guess
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Old 2010-12-31, 18:16
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i`m not to familiar with all sorts of rock lingo
Thankfully most of it can be ignored
It's really just
classic (doors, zeppelin),
regular (elvis, the cars, train),
progressive (rush, dream theater),
alternative (rem, nirvana),
hard (ac/dc),
metal (metallica, iron maiden),
and death (slayer, sepultura)

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...Progressive Electro, because i like how that sounds
Hahahaha, as good a reason as any.

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...under the impression trance can be house, but house can`t be trance.
Brain... melting... uh oh...
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Old 2010-12-31, 20:57
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Thankfully most of it can be ignored
It's really just
classic (doors, zeppelin),
regular (elvis, the cars, train),
progressive (rush, dream theater),
alternative (rem, nirvana),
hard (ac/dc),
metal (metallica, iron maiden),
and death (slayer, sepultura)


Hahahaha, as good a reason as any.


Brain... melting... uh oh...
Luckily i actually know most of those bands you summed up, so i can actually relate to what you said XD

I`m off though, either i`m going to wreck some havoc in the city, or i`m going home after getting bored real quick and spend the rest of my time in the studio. Probably the last one though

Anyway, have a wicked evening, or failing that, just a nice one
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Old 2010-12-31, 21:51
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