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Old 2011-07-31, 23:09
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A debate: what is music?

Reposted/lifted up out of the Feature request forum. It didn't fit there.

I usually avoid "I want VST" threads, but this has turned into the most entertaining insanity I've read in quite a while.

Here's a scenario:

A class of children sits in an auditorium. On stage is a pianist playing a piano and singing. She (the pianist) is being accompanied by a man playing a VST on his laptop via a midi controller, he is playing a bassline. Next to them is young woman triggering drum loops on an old akai sampler. Next to *her* is a tape recorder playing back a collection of children's songs. Everyone on stage is performing in time with the tape.

Now, answer these:

1) Are the children in the audience listening to music?
2) The sounds the children are hearing, is it all music, or only partly?
3) Which of the four sound generating things on stage are musicians? Instruments?
4) Where is the music in this scenario?
5) Where in this scene does music stop being music? (Maybe it doesn't? Opinions differ.)

I'm eagerly awaiting a fireball of opinion!

(I'll voice mine opinion later.)

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Old 2011-07-31, 23:18
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I'm just reply on general question - "A debate: what is music?"

For me music it's LIFE I'm live by music mostly all my life, from my 5 years old!

By many genres of music & by many, many songs & singers! For different mood I'm choosing different music!

Without music life not interested me!
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Old 2011-07-31, 23:20
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...and here was my reply from the other thread!

1)its music
2)its all music
3)all instruments and musicians
4) and 5) hmmm...

the question is, if i record it, does the ambient noise become part of the music too?
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Old 2011-07-31, 23:58
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Its late at night, i have my headphones on but nothing is playing, I can still hear a motorcycle in the distance. That is music.

The music is ongoing, there is never true silence even beethoven imagined entire symphonies in his head.
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Old 2011-08-01, 00:11
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Old 2011-08-01, 00:22
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yes, its all music. Anyone who says otherwise is narrow minded.
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Old 2011-08-01, 00:28
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What is music is a very, very difficult question, yet it is the easiest answers to hear.
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Old 2011-08-01, 00:50
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And yeah, I tend to hear and see music in everything.
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Old 2011-08-01, 01:34
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Seriously? I have no idea what the OP is trying to get at.

Music is organized/constructed sound and silence. The whole "what is music" debate is getting a bit outdated.
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Old 2011-08-01, 01:40
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@tiftof: There was a debate about it in another thread, I just separated it and continued. I thought it was interesting.

So here's my take on it.

I believe music is art for the ears, and I believe anything can become art as long as the artist is willing to put an enclosure around it and wills it to be his/her art.

"I am going to bang on this coffee can while singing haiku" says the musician, "and I will perform until I feel like it, at which point I will stop and my music/art will be finished."

Lots of people do something similar every day. They stimulate the ears through any and all means necesary and proclaim it "their music." One of the fine things about music is that it can be derived from other music! (As can all art.) So the remix is music, as is it's source music. The sounds you hear in this video are certainly music, even though recorded and maybe not what you expect when someone says "music." And yes...it's still music even as it jumps from your speaker to your ears. It was intended to be so, and no one can change that.

So to give my own answers to my five questions:

1) Are the children in the audience listening to music?
Yes!

2) The sounds the children are hearing, is it all music, or only partly?
It's all music, by direct intent of the performers, and (entertainingly meta) also by intent of the original creators (if derived), and the instruments makers, and the software vendors!

3) Which of the four sound generating things on stage are musicians? Instruments?
All the people are musicians. Anything can be an instrument.

4) Where is the music in this scenario?
Everywhere. It's pervasive.

5) Where in this scene does music stop being music? )
It only stops when the artists stop performing, but even then it continues in the memory of the audience.

Some may disagree, but this perspective makes me happy.
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