Propellerhead Software

Go Back   Propellerhead Forum > Music Forum (read only)

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 2011-08-24, 11:16
thhedk thhedk is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 42
100% random generated music

With inspiration from "Waiting for Cousteau" by J.M. Jarre, I tried to make a completely random generated piece of music in Propellerhead Reason.

http://youtu.be/5L4NtRiIKOU

Bass plays random notes in Bb C D F G
Piano plays all notes in the D# scale, with random velocity and random delays.
The Strings plays a chord of 3 notes, choosing from Bb C D F or G and with random filter sharpness
The choir comming up from time to time, plays the same as the strings, but the level is random
The wind sound is with random level and filter
The synth drops and water are all random generated.

So the next time I generate the score, it is completely different

Last edited by thhedk; 2011-08-24 at 11:36.
  #2  
Old 2011-08-24, 18:01
Ixus's Avatar
Ixus Ixus is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,707
Wow dude this is cool!
very relaxing too, nice job!
__________________
metal and vgm like stuff http://www.youtube.com/user/myrtorp
and http://myrtorp.bandcamp.com/
and at your own risk http://soundcloud.com/myrtorp
  #3  
Old 2011-08-24, 19:54
thhedk thhedk is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ixus View Post
Wow dude this is cool!
very relaxing too, nice job!
Thanks.
Gotte Love this Reason program!
It's only Reason 4, I am sure I want to buy 6 when it comes.

The only thing thats not working perfect, is to play that Piano sound with random lenght.
I am using the RPG-8 for the notes, and changing the resolution CV with a random LFO2 outlet from Thor, but I don't think it works like I want it to.

Any idea how to randomize this even more?
  #4  
Old 2011-08-24, 20:23
mcatalao's Avatar
mcatalao mcatalao is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,432
Hi.

It's an interesting concept, but it's not entirely random, because it is too much defined.

You are using some techniques of integral serialism, but the choice of notes, make the tune sound too tonal.

Anyway, in serialism, you can define the tone rows as you wish, for your composition, so this is a very interesting way of making music (though, i still don't think it is as random as you want it to be).

I would be interesting if you renderend a second time to see if the generated song would be much different (I'd say it will not... )
__________________
Good Luck,
MC
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Configure Multiple Behringer BCF2000 on Reason 6:
https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/...992#post903992
  #5  
Old 2011-08-24, 22:24
thhedk thhedk is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcatalao View Post
Hi.

It's an interesting concept, but it's not entirely random, because it is too much defined.

You are using some techniques of integral serialism, but the choice of notes, make the tune sound too tonal.

Anyway, in serialism, you can define the tone rows as you wish, for your composition, so this is a very interesting way of making music (though, i still don't think it is as random as you want it to be).

I would be interesting if you renderend a second time to see if the generated song would be much different (I'd say it will not... )
Wel,l I have to limit the notes used, a C bass with a chord playing Bb B F# and the Piano playing C# Dosn't sound that good
I can assure you it is random, I will try to make a video
  #6  
Old 2011-08-24, 23:09
thhedk thhedk is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcatalao View Post
Hi.

It's an interesting concept, but it's not entirely random, because it is too much defined.

You are using some techniques of integral serialism, but the choice of notes, make the tune sound too tonal.

Anyway, in serialism, you can define the tone rows as you wish, for your composition, so this is a very interesting way of making music (though, i still don't think it is as random as you want it to be).

I would be interesting if you renderend a second time to see if the generated song would be much different (I'd say it will not... )
http://youtu.be/kQn9dxbDjLI

Believe me now?
  #7  
Old 2011-08-25, 02:28
mcatalao's Avatar
mcatalao mcatalao is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,432
Quote:
Originally Posted by thhedk View Post
Wel,l I have to limit the notes used, a C bass with a chord playing Bb B F# and the Piano playing C# Dosn't sound that good
I can assure you it is random, I will try to make a video
Let me put it this way.... Its not random, is functional. The concept of random to me is more broaden...
As said,you are doing some kind of integral serialism.
__________________
Good Luck,
MC
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Configure Multiple Behringer BCF2000 on Reason 6:
https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/...992#post903992
  #8  
Old 2011-08-25, 09:55
thhedk thhedk is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcatalao View Post
Let me put it this way.... Its not random, is functional. The concept of random to me is more broaden...
As said,you are doing some kind of integral serialism.
For me it's random, that is the most importent
  #9  
Old 2011-08-25, 11:56
JiggeryPokery's Avatar
JiggeryPokery JiggeryPokery is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,081
You need to grab a copy of Gingerbread. It's abandonware so it's floating around if you look. It will generate up to 128 bars of 16-track MIDI based on Mandlebrot or Julia fractal equations. There are other fractal music generators, but GB was by far the best of its period. I don't know what new progs are around now, might be worth investigating actually...

WfC also was based on this type of fractal algorithm, so it's also not "random" in the true sense of the word. Random would imply microtones, complete inharmonic, no control over what notes are triggered when: it would virtually be just noise and probably unlistenable to most people. WfC otoh is still based on a set scale, it really isn't "random" at all, but "algorhythmic" (w00t! I just invented a new word!!) . (I'm sure there is a joke here about WfC, being Jarre, is just noise and probably unlistenable to most people, but as a fan too back in the day, I won't make it)

Walking the walk, here's one of my GB-based productions. Ignoring the (badly) improv'd leads, every other note in this track was via Gingerbread, the MIDI imported into Reason. Working in stuff like GB does require a bit of a leap of faith having to just listen to it with internal GM sounds, but once in Reason, world/oyster etc.

Loading SoundCloud…
__________________
www.jiggery-pokery.com
Vintage Keyboard & Guitar ReFills for Reason

Last edited by JiggeryPokery; 2011-08-25 at 12:15.
  #10  
Old 2011-08-25, 12:26
mcatalao's Avatar
mcatalao mcatalao is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,432
Quote:
Originally Posted by JiggeryPokery View Post
WfC also was based on this type of fractal algorithm, so it's also not "random" in the true sense of the word. Random would imply microtones, complete inharmonic, no control over what notes are triggered when: it would virtually be just noise and probably unlistenable to most people.
Yep, my point exactly...
__________________
Good Luck,
MC
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Configure Multiple Behringer BCF2000 on Reason 6:
https://www.propellerheads.se/forum/...992#post903992
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Any opinions on music theory? smalik General Forum (read only) 92 2013-11-02 16:14
Why do you make music? Long, rambling post alert... ;) Stompp Phead User Forum (read only) 59 2013-08-28 21:42
My 25 Years Of Computer Music Technology scottym Phead User Forum (read only) 46 2011-07-23 20:28
(OT) People and music.. (where did it go wrong?..) MrCurry Phead User Forum (read only) 24 2010-10-28 04:31
No Music experience novamano General Forum (read only) 8 2007-01-01 23:39


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 19:27.