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Old 2011-01-14, 14:08
Rattmowe Rattmowe is offline
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New Sample Layering Module For Kong

Firstly, i think Kong is great, especially the synth modules, really powerful drum workstation.

However, i feel there is one thing missing from Kong, which is missing from Reason, and that is
a good way of detailed layering of drums. I find, as a lot of people do, that in order to get good
kick and snare sounds for electronic music, i often have to layer multiple samples, and indeed,
this is entirely possible in both Kong and Redrum by using multiple kit slots and chaining the
gate ins/outs. However, firstly this means you have to use up multiple slots on one drum device
for the kick and the snare, which is a little inconvenient, but the main problem is that it just
offers very little control.

What i find i have to do is use different parts of different drum layers,
i.e. use the attack portion of one kick and layer it with the body of another, and in order to
do this, i have to use another DAW then export the sample and reload into Reason. This is
fine really, but somewhat tedious, and it doesnt allow you to audition your edits in the mix,
i might layer the attack of an acoustic kick with the body of an 808, but then find that the
808 is subsaturating the mix, and hence i have to go back and try another combination. As
the envelope parameters on the NN-nano are limited to basic attack and decay, and they apply
to all samples in the NN-nano, it isnt possible to layer drums like this in one drum slot, and
even if you use multiple drums slots, it gives limited control.

The solution i could envision is a new layering sample module for Kong, in which you can
select multiple samples, and edit each individual sample with a multi-stage envelope on a
waveform display, perhaps also a simple 3-band eq for each layer and maybe tuning too.
Obviously, there'd be no way of fitting all sample display's in the interface at the same time,
so it would perhaps be best to have 5 sample slots, and select each one individually to edit,
then maybe a small display which shows the combined waveform of all the samples. It's
important to keep things in the hardware-based idiom of Reason's interface, so i could see this
module looking something like the Nurse-REX player, this pulls off a hardware-ish waveform
display quite well.

This kind of thing seems unlikely, as far as i know, Propellerheads havent made any major modifications
to any individual instrument in any version updates. But it would be nice to know how many other
people find themselves layering samples for drums, and if they find they need a little more control than
Reason currently offers.


To avoid some of the confusion about what i mean here....

Samples can be layered in the NN-nano, but, attack, decay, pan settings
can't be set for each individual sample, only for the whole module. I have
found this to be somewhat limiting, especially when trying to layer

What i'm suggesting is to improve this, either the NN-nano's functionality
could be adjusted, to work a bit more like the NNXT, or a new module
could be dedicated to sample layering, with a waveform display and
visual multi-stage envelopes which can be adjusted for each sample
individually, giving much more control.

I do, however, respect the Propellerheads judgement about keeping things
as uncomplicated as possible, and maybe a new module would be
overcomplicating things.

It would be interesting to find out how many other people find the NN-nano's
functionality slightly limiting when layering samples..

Last edited by Rattmowe; 2011-01-15 at 10:08.

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